Modes Restrict or remove PvE from the game, making Open a nicer place

[Rampant]

...I'll make this bit easy. I said many players are scared of PvP, which is not the same as "you are all scared". In any game that allows both PvE and PvP, the PvP aspect is more intimidating, as you cannot choose the skill of your opponent, they will typically be harder anyway, and play will be less predictable. In my early days of gaming, I have no shame in confessing I would master PvE before allowing myself to progress to fighting other players. Apart from Unreal Tournament...I jumped straight into PvP there.

Thankyou for your time

I'll make it even easier for you. When you say "many people are scared", what you actually write, that could be *true* is that "*I think* many people *might be* scared...". But even then, you'd still be wrong, even if it were true that you *thought it*, simply because there are not "many people" who are "scared". That's just in your head. And the more you type it as if it is fact, LOL, the less credibility your posts will possess. By all means keep on going, though, because, as I said, it is easier to "argue" to someone who posts with poor credibility. Personally, I don't care for argument. Argument is tedious; unfriendly. I don't care for it as I don't care for PvP. Personally, I much prefer "discussion": friendly... but again, that requires a credible message as the foundation of discussion. I'd prefer if we discuss this based on your posts being credible. Saying people are "scared" just isn't credible, though.

So, again, just some friendly advice, if you want your posts to be credible then avoid the use of phrases such as "many people are scared". I've illustrated that the phrase is untrue, but use it as you will...

You're welcome. [up]

Mark H

 

[Goose4291]

You can never instance or even see everybody who may be undermining in PP regardless of the mode they play in. The way to stop undermining is to fortify without fortification the underminers(Think the UnderMiner from the Incredibles) will win. You can undermine or fortify from any mode. Killing other players give no merits at all (unless that has changed)

Because the murderhobos (not sure where that came from) are a small part of the PvPers and an even smaller part of all of open to give a blanket bonus to open is simply not justified. The only way it would be justified is on an individual basis when someone was actually interdicted/killed by another player.

I think adding things for both all modes all play styles is a great idea restricting is a bad idea.

Doesn't quite work that way.

If you fully undermine a system and it isn't fully fortified it costs more CC and puts the system into turmoil for its owner.
If you fully undermine a system and it is fully fortified, it costs the owner the usual CC amount.
If you however don't fully undermine a system and it is fully fortified it costs the owner 0CC.

 

[Roybe]

Who said I am alone though, sure numbers help, but lets make a proper content where we play against each other, whats the point playing against a wall of PVE tokens, everyone undermines/fortifies in PG, where is the game play? where is interaction, where is the competition, skills?

Try to get 100 of your closest friends and frenemies to move those tokens in the direction you need them to! I get you don't like the definition of PVP here...and I keep suggesting that you find a different playground to play in...because this playground will never change!

 

[Robert Maynard]

...so according to you, absolutely all players categorically enjoy trading?

Nope. It's not behind a PvP-gate though.

I would suggest that liking PvP, or not, has little to do with game content - and that game content does not require the player to play in a PvP enabled game mode to engage in the content (well, apart from Wings and Multi-Crew - but they can both be played in Private Groups as well as Open, of course).

 

[xondk]

CQC is trash of all trashes, you can have it for free and go farm npcs until you are blue in the face, nobody asked for this mini game that has nothing to do with ED. Time to remove it.

Then how about we aim on fixing CQC rather then trying to make a game that is entirely PvE based, as in there are no PvP mechanics in Elite at all, the game doesn't see any difference between a player or an npc, you can shoot either there is no difference. Yes, you can shoot other players, but that does not make the game a PvP game, a PvP game would have mechanics in it, that only worked around other players and not NPC's Elite, does not.

 

[the100thmonkey]

Must be someone's birthday somewhere.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

I'll make it even easier for you. When you say "many people are scared", what you actually write, that could be *true* is that "*I think* many people *might be* scared...". But even then, you'd still be wrong, even if it were true that you *thought it*, simply because there are not "many people" who are "scared". That's just in your head. And the more you type it as if it is fact, LOL, the less credibility your posts will possess. By all means keep on going, though, because, as I said, it is easier to "argue" to someone who posts with poor credibility. Personally, I don't care for argument. Argument is tedious; unfriendly. I don't care for it as I don't care for PvP. Personally, I much prefer "discussion": friendly... but again, that requires a credible message as the foundation of discussion. I'd prefer if we discuss this based on your posts being credible. Saying people are "scared" just isn't credible, though.

So, again, just some friendly advice, if you want your posts to be credible then avoid the use of phrases such as "many people are scared". I've illustrated that the phrase is untrue, but use it as you will...

You're welcome. [up]

Mark H

They are scared, terrified actually, terrified of being dead in 5sec due to incompetence and *star* in someones video titled "conda ded in 2sec".
Dont delude yourself, people hide in carebear modes in order to not show their incompetence in understanding basic game mechanics.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Then how about we aim on fixing CQC rather then trying to make a game that is entirely PvE based, as in there are no PvP mechanics in Elite at all, the game doesn't see any difference between a player or an npc, you can shoot either there is no difference. Yes, you can shoot other players, but that does not make the game a PvP game, a PvP game would have mechanics in it, that only worked around other players and not NPC's Elite, does not.

Instead why not add proper pvp content.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Welcome class to layman psychology 101, I have a textbook example of projection here.

They are scared, terrified actually, terrified of being dead in 5sec due to incompetence and *star* in someones video titled "conda ded in 2sec".

As you can see, the subject projects his own feelings upon those who have more complex motivators. Because the subject is terrified to be ridiculed in a youtube video, the only recourse he has is to practice PvP so he won't end up that way. As evidenced by flaunting his own youtube projects as much as he can without it ever being relevant or required.

He is unaware that 99% of players don't give a crap about that sort of thing. It seems losing face among peers is a big motivator in his play style. But it does give us a unique insight in his psyche.

Dont delude yourself, people hide in carebear modes in order to not show their incompetence in understanding basic game mechanics.

Reiterating the same sentiment again and again, because of lacking empathy and being unaware that most people don't suffer from the same peevish motivators.

 

[wrmiller]

Welcome class to layman psychology 101, I have a textbook example of projection here.

As you can see, the subject projects his own feelings upon those who have more complex motivators. Because the subject is terrified to be ridiculed in a youtube video, the only recourse he has is to practice PvP so he won't end up that way. As evidenced by flaunting his own youtube projects as much as he can without it ever being relevant or required.

He is unaware that 99% of players don't give a crap about that sort of thing. It seems losing face among peers is a big motivator in his play style. But it does give us a unique insight in his psyche.

Reiterating the same sentiment again and again, because lacking empathy and being unaware that most people don't suffer from the same peevish motivators.

ROFLMAO!!!

Thanks Ziggy. Now I have to clean up all the coffee that went flying when I read that. Made my day.

 

[lysan]

Welcome class to layman psychology 101, I have a textbook example of projection here.

As you can see, the subject projects his own feelings upon those who have more complex motivators. Because the subject is terrified to be ridiculed in a youtube video, the only recourse he has is to practice PvP so he won't end up that way. As evidenced by flaunting his own youtube projects as much as he can without it ever being relevant or required.

He is unaware that 99% of players don't give a crap about that sort of thing. It seems losing face among peers is a big motivator in his play style. But it does give us a unique insight in his psyche.

Reiterating the same sentiment again and again, because of lacking empathy and being unaware that most people don't suffer from the same peevish motivators.

Oh.... one more question to the subject, time and money, how does that apply in this case?

Spoiler

 

[Mouse]

Just woke up and holy heck was that a painful bunch of pages to read....

Stitch I'm not going to reply to you because you don't want bridges, discourse or discussions, you want replies that you can twist and create Forum PVP. If the posts go nowhere then what is the point of posting? I've reported a few posts because those posting can't follow rules and lastly but not least...


Ziggy will you Marry me

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Welcome class to layman psychology 101, I have a textbook example of projection here.

As you can see, the subject projects his own feelings upon those who have more complex motivators. Because the subject is terrified to be ridiculed in a youtube video, the only recourse he has is to practice PvP so he won't end up that way. As evidenced by flaunting his own youtube projects as much as he can without it ever being relevant or required.

He is unaware that 99% of players don't give a crap about that sort of thing. It seems losing face among peers is a big motivator in his play style. But it does give us a unique insight in his psyche.

Reiterating the same sentiment again and again, because of lacking empathy and being unaware that most people don't suffer from the same peevish motivators.

An armchair psychologists who analyses people based on video games, you win the care-bear award of the day.

Thx, this post will become a dank meme in few places on the internet.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Welcome class to layman psychology 101, I have a textbook example of projection here.

As you can see, the subject projects his own feelings upon those who have more complex motivators. Because the subject is terrified to be ridiculed in a youtube video, the only recourse he has is to practice PvP so he won't end up that way. As evidenced by flaunting his own youtube projects as much as he can without it ever being relevant or required.

He is unaware that 99% of players don't give a crap about that sort of thing. It seems losing face among peers is a big motivator in his play style. But it does give us a unique insight in his psyche.

Reiterating the same sentiment again and again, because of lacking empathy and being unaware that most people don't suffer from the same peevish motivators.

Should I point you to 100 posts of care-bear whaling of how they are being slaughtered in the oracle station like sitting ducks or you are capable to visit other ED social websites (that you are a "star" in some of them btw)? this is only from 2 days ago, lets not ignore the usual whaling of getting ganked in open because of incompetence. Keep on hiding in solo and squeak from there.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

An armchair psychologists who analyses people based on video games, you win the care-bear award of the day.

You win the irony of the day award, and the lack of introspection award.

Cue Al who analyses people based on a video game:

They are scared, terrified actually, terrified of being dead in 5sec due to incompetence and *star* in someones video titled "conda ded in 2sec".
Dont delude yourself, people hide in carebear modes in order to not show their incompetence in understanding basic game mechanics.

Christ man, did you not notice the bleeding obvious parody I did? You cannot be this daft

Did you miss this word perhaps? "layman psychology 101". Take some friendly advice Al. If you can't talk your way out of a paper bag, don't go looking for arguments on the internet, or git gud at it first.

 

[Mouse]

You win the irony of the day award, and the lack of introspection award.

Cue Al who analyses people based on a video game:

Christ man, did you not notice the bleeding obvious parody I did? You cannot be this daft

I think he's throwing a tantrum.

 

[EvE4evah]

I think he's throwing a tantrum.

Comment edited to avoid further toxicity

 

[Jenner]

Can we please give the name calling a rest? Griefers, carebears, etc. They are all impediments to having a constructive discussion.

 

[EvE4evah]

Can we please give the name calling a rest? Griefers, carebears, etc. They are all impediments to having a constructive discussion.

Thx Jenny and sorry.

BTW I've just realized… you said Griefer is name-calling. Love you miss.

 

[Jockey79]

Geez, I go afk for a few hours and all chaos breaks loose.
Well I would try to catch up, but I think by Jenners post I got the gist of it.

I still think removing open and solo will stop all of this nonsense.
If we all had to play in was PGs, then no one could moan about it being a level playing field (despite it currently is) as we would all be playing with like minded folks (or none at all, in a PG of 1) in our own private groups.