Modes Restrict or remove PvE from the game, making Open a nicer place

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Im curious. How many of you are part of a group? Specifically Jockey, Ziggy, Phos, and whomever else fight against having certain aspects of the game restricted to OPEN ONLY?

Do ya'll do powerplay, or take part in BGS wars?

Or do we just sit here and complain on the forums about it?

Honestly thats all anyone's really asking here, Anything to do with other player groups that are connected to systems to be done in OPEN Only on their respected platforms.

If you guys arent a part of any of that. Then why you here?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I have opinions. It's a discussion forum.

Being part of a group is not a requirement to form an opinion. In fact, it's a hindrance.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I have opinions. It's a discussion forum.

Being part of a group is not a requirement to form an opinion. In fact, it's a hindrance.

I think its pretty hindering to try and "snub" the players taking part in those activities. While you actively fight against it with no horse in the race.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

I think its pretty hindering to try and "snub" the players taking part in those activities. While you actively fight against it with no horse in the race.

They fight against it for the principal of having a balance to this game and to have PVP activity (end game) to actually have content, they have no horse in the race, some of them have no idea what PP is.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I think its pretty hindering to try and "snub" the players taking part in those activities. While you actively fight against it with no horse in the race.

I think so too. One of the motivators I have for arguing is that at this moment a lot of players are enjoying Powerplay in whatever mode they wish. If other players argue to take that away from them without sound support, I'll argue against that.

I did however somewhere else ask those who wish to make changes why they didn't post a similar thread on the Powerplay section. Surely these are the guys who are taking part of those activities.

They fight against it for the principal of having a balance to this game and to have PVP activity (end game) to actually have content, they have no horse in the race, some of them have no idea what PP is.

Come on Al, I'm right here. Don't argue against me by proxy. You like direct PvP right? So why hide?

And it's pretty glorious coming from you who doesn't play Powerplay and stated it was a boring grind.

 

[Jockey79]

Im curious. How many of you are part of a group? Specifically Jockey, Ziggy, Phos, and whomever else fight against having certain aspects of the game restricted to OPEN ONLY?

Do ya'll do powerplay, or take part in BGS wars?

Or do we just sit here and complain on the forums about it?

Honestly thats all anyone's really asking here, Anything to do with other player groups that are connected to systems to be done in OPEN Only on their respected platforms.

If you guys arent a part of any of that. Then why you here?

We are not the ones complaining, we read the game info before we bought it.
We knew what we were buying and we (for the most part) happy with the main direction Frontier is going.

Do I currently Power Play - nope, lost interest in it.
The BGS effects us all, regardless of what we are doing.
I'm mainly a trader now, so I have to monitor market prices so not to over trade an area and watch traffic reports to be sure no one else is using the same spot.

And what you are "honestly" asking for is to remove something I've paid for, that is why I'm here.

 

[Stigbob]

Im curious. How many of you are part of a group? Specifically Jockey, Ziggy, Phos, and whomever else fight against having certain aspects of the game restricted to OPEN ONLY?

Do ya'll do powerplay, or take part in BGS wars?

Or do we just sit here and complain on the forums about it?

Honestly thats all anyone's really asking here, Anything to do with other player groups that are connected to systems to be done in OPEN Only on their respected platforms.

If you guys arent a part of any of that. Then why you here?

I do powerplay (a bit) the BGS a lot, I'm in a player faction, occaisional PVP and my preferred mode is open.

I've no issues at all with all modes sharing one BGS and none getting special treatment, and I support all players being able to choose mode as and when they see fit.

I'd ban all cheats and griefers to the shadow server though. If the closest to that we can get is PG's for PVP then so be it, right now only the block function makes open worth the bother.

 

[Jockey79]

I'd ban all cheats and griefers to the shadow server though.

See, for a "first" offence then this maybe, but I'd rather not have a shadow server at all and just lock the accounts of cheats.
Make them buy the game again, and again, and again until they learn not to cheat or run out of money to cheat - and it raises more funds for Frontier, so it works well.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

They fight against it for the principal of having a balance to this game and to have PVP activity (end game) to actually have content, they have no horse in the race, some of them have no idea what PP is.

I know man, after being here for on these forums and met with people that intentionally try to hold this back. Almost every single one of them dont even take part in it. Maybe Agony Aunt would be the only one Ive seen that has a group they belong to. And even they would like to see some changes to PowerPlay atleast. BGS, we dont see eye to eye on. But out of all the lads here that fight against it.

I see Agony Aunt actually taking part in it sometimes.

Meh anyways, hopefully Fdev sees through all that. Its really annoying watching all these threads with the same people in them. And they dont even use those features.

I did it a bit in the bubble for a while in between PVP. And am currently in Colonia playing around with the BGS out there. Its really neat and in-depth. You can see more happening with out there than in the bubble. Still, not being able to PVP against the other player factions because they pick the mode I feel is a problem.

If they restricted those activities to open play. Then DIRECT PVP would have a place in this game besides salt. Or the player created PVP Hub.

This could also transfer to powerplay just as easy. With some diminishing returns with powerplay. Kind of like when you get closer to 100% in the BGS for a faction it gets harder to reach it so people cant exploit it. Essentially the amount of merits would decrease per kill(set on a timer of course.) Same thing could apply to the BGS when player factions are tied to it. Player kills mean a bit more for influence with a CoolDown the same as above.

Give PVP its place, and Restrict certain areas of the game. And all this "griefer/carebear" Comes to an end because it would have meaning.

Or would you guys fighting it rather it stay like it is now? And Me and Algo will just go out and farm salt and create videos for ya'll to complain about? Up to you (not really).

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

See? Indirect PvP posts. It explains.

Projection at it's finest

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I do powerplay (a bit) the BGS a lot, I'm in a player faction, occaisional PVP and my preferred mode is open.

I've no issues at all with all modes sharing one BGS and none getting special treatment, and I support all players being able to choose mode as and when they see fit.

I'd ban all cheats and griefers to the shadow server though. If the closest to that we can get is PG's for PVP then so be it, right now only the block function makes open worth the bother.

I see the block feature being a problem as well, It should only be made for communications. If a person gets blown up 10 times in a row, and they didnt learn to change modes after the 3rd time if the guy was just being a griefer or a jerk. Then yep they are .

Cheaters, sure I can see that. But in the past instances they couldnt ban everyone like youd like. Because it wasnt just the people you dont like using them. It was Solo players, PG players and more. Griefing? Man its really hard to define what a griefer is in this game. Anytime someone is opposed. Its a grief. There really is no definition for it here. Not until FDEV speak up on what griefing really is.

As far as the the BGS and modes, all im really trying to do is give PVP its place in this game. Because honestly it doesn't have one because of it. People will just swap modes the moment they becomes opposed. You and I may not, but there are TONS of people that do.

 

[Stigbob]

See, for a "first" offence then this maybe, but I'd rather not have a shadow server at all and just lock the accounts of cheats.
Make them buy the game again, and again, and again until they learn not to cheat or run out of money to cheat - and it raises more funds for Frontier, so it works well.

I see what you mean, but I like the idea of all of them stuck in the same instances unable to effect the galaxy and getting on each others nerves.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

We are not the ones complaining, we read the game info before we bought it.
We knew what we were buying and we (for the most part) happy with the main direction Frontier is going.

Do I currently Power Play - nope, lost interest in it.
The BGS effects us all, regardless of what we are doing.
I'm mainly a trader now, so I have to monitor market prices so not to over trade an area and watch traffic reports to be sure no one else is using the same spot.

And what you are "honestly" asking for is to remove something I've paid for, that is why I'm here.

Perfect, then the changes ive asked for wouldn't effect you or anyone else thats not connected to Powerplay or a Player faction. You'd still be able to do the same thing you are now.

You may sit down. Thanks for your time.

 

[Theodrid]

They are scared, terrified actually, terrified of being dead in 5sec due to incompetence and *star* in someones video titled "conda ded in 2sec".
Dont delude yourself, people hide in carebear modes in order to not show their incompetence in understanding basic game mechanics.

PVP guys and gals.....?.....anyone.......I thought swathes of you folk hated this armchair psycho-babble-manure, after all, many of you would be all over it like a rash if it was posted by a pro PVE player.......no?

 

[Stigbob]

I see the block feature being a problem as well, It should only be made for communications. If a person gets blown up 10 times in a row, and they didnt learn to change modes after the 3rd time if the guy was just being a griefer or a jerk. Then yep they are .

Without block I wouldn't touch open at all, I'm that bored of the station griefers (the only players I block). FDEV have done nothing effective with it, other than hit us all with an exploitable speed limit.

Cheaters, sure I can see that. But in the past instances they couldnt ban everyone like youd like. Because it wasnt just the people you dont like using them. It was Solo players, PG players and more. Griefing? Man its really hard to define what a griefer is in this game. Anytime someone is opposed. Its a grief. There really is no definition for it here. Not until FDEV speak up on what griefing really is..

True everyones definition is different, I apply a Wheatons law scale and block people I think are detrimental to the game, usually because they get their jollies trying to spoil other players fun. Or in my own words "being a bit of a " which fits the station griefers perfectly.

The term griefers is overused, but then so are the excuses.

As far as the the BGS and modes, all im really trying to do is give PVP its place in this game. Because honestly it doesn't have one because of it. People will just swap modes the moment they becomes opposed. You and I may not, but there are TONS of people that do.

People go with whats easy, hence gankers going for easy kills, mode switching and even cheating.

The best PVP I've done was CZ'ing in Mobius, but they had to ditch it due to griefers infiltrating. The worst PVP I've done is trying to fight gankers as they seem to clog immediatley.

The problem with PVP as you've said is lack of a point, you have to be willing to do it and organise it yourself. Which is a bit stale, there's not much scope for it being spontaneous.

 

[Mouse]

Without block I wouldn't touch open at all, I'm that bored of the station griefers (the only players I block). FDEV have done nothing effective with it, other than hit us all with an exploitable speed limit.



True everyones definition is different, I apply a Wheatons law scale and block people I think are detrimental to the game, usually because they get their jollies trying to spoil other players fun. Or in my own words "being a bit of a " which fits the station griefers perfectly.

The term griefers is overused, but then so are the excuses.



People go with whats easy, hence gankers going for easy kills, mode switching and even cheating.

The best PVP I've done was CZ'ing in Mobius, but they had to ditch it due to griefers infiltrating. The worst PVP I've done is trying to fight gankers as they seem to clog immediatley.

The problem with PVP as you've said is lack of a point, you have to be willing to do it and organise it yourself. Which is a bit stale, there's not much scope for it being spontaneous.

What also sucks about that "speed limit" is that docking computers were not altered to take it into effect... >.>

 

[EvE4evah]

docking computers

:facedesk:

 

[ALGOMATIC]

:facedesk:

DC is KOS.

 

[Theodrid]

DC is KOS.

I've never used one in my life Al but that statement is /facetree

 

[Goose4291]

What also sucks about that "speed limit" is that docking computers were not altered to take it into effect... >.>

Not exactly true.

I used to think this, but any collision incurred while the DC is active doesn't result in penalties for any collision.