Modes Restrict or remove PvE from the game, making Open a nicer place

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Without block I wouldn't touch open at all, I'm that bored of the station griefers (the only players I block). FDEV have done nothing effective with it, other than hit us all with an exploitable speed limit.



True everyones definition is different, I apply a Wheatons law scale and block people I think are detrimental to the game, usually because they get their jollies trying to spoil other players fun. Or in my own words "being a bit of a " which fits the station griefers perfectly.

The term griefers is overused, but then so are the excuses.



People go with whats easy, hence gankers going for easy kills, mode switching and even cheating.

The best PVP I've done was CZ'ing in Mobius, but they had to ditch it due to griefers infiltrating. The worst PVP I've done is trying to fight gankers as they seem to clog immediatley.

The problem with PVP as you've said is lack of a point, you have to be willing to do it and organise it yourself. Which is a bit stale, there's not much scope for it being spontaneous.

My hope is that Fleets will help organize all that a bit more.

Station ramming, I think could use some tweaking as well. Not sure how. Maybe once we are inside the station there is an immunity bubble. And only you can kill yourself by screwing up the landing.

At any rate, I have high hopes for this stuff with the Beyond Changes. I hope they finally give PVP its place within this game. Its so much fun. I've done my fair share of screwing around, I think I've only really "griefed" like Legit Griefed one guy. And that was my buddy Djtruthsayer. I wont be ganking Sag A or anything like that.

Side note, for PVP to work, Credits and death should still be punishing. But as we scale up towards elite the "work" we do in the game should pay a bit better for the tasks. We already had to grind before we started the game. And this is where the" late game" term comes in. This would give people the chance to get their feet wet, still be punished for their mistakes. But allow people to learn.

Id like to see some encouragement for PVP coming from Fdev. Thats one thing they have been awfully silent about, besides sandros bit about Powerplay being consensual PVP. I really would like to seem them talk about it more, and how to make it efficient for this game.

The hotel california/ modes of elite. Pretty much exist because people WANT healthy PVP. Heck, Pirating could even exist within powerplay and BGS wars.

And if any of those changes go though. Believe it or not, Id probably play the part of that squishy trader. I love it when the odds are stacked against me.

Anyways, I cant give you rep again Nice to finally meet somewhat in the middle with someone here on opposing sides. o7o7 dude.

 

[Mouse]

Not exactly true.

I used to think this, but any collision incurred while the DC is active doesn't result in penalties for any collision.

Hmm.. I could have sworn the last one that happened when I used the one on my Python I got a fine, but I could be mistaken. I also find it funny the reaction from some that someone would use something in the game...

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

See you have no idea if someone takes part in these features. You don't even know that they are not taking part in them in open. The only thing you can know (unless they specifically tell you) is that you are not getting instanced with them. I was in open most of the weekend don't think i ever saw you or Algo if I had you could have blown me up and I might have been annoyed but certainly wouldn't have given you any grief or any real contest as I was in an un-engineered python. I dont get bothered by that too much, but restricting someones access just based on the mode they choose to play, that I cant get behind.

Direct PvP has a place in this game in fact it can be quite fun.

You (and some others) think the modes are a problem, we get that (over and over and over......... again) but the modes solve a lot more problems than they create. I mean everybody gets to affect the game with their friends (even if they are only online friends) from any platform so I can help my friends on the xbox by working for their faction or for friends on the Mac or with friends in other time zones just by using things like discord or irc. Thats something I cant do with a lot of my other games. Long Live The Modes

There is nothing that stops you from shooting other players if that is your shtick but right now there are no consequences for your actions all gain and no (real) risk especially when you hunt vanilla ships in your Engineered BattleTanks. Before you start to think about restricting content to modes you need to remove that imbalance first. A vanilla combat ship still has a significant advantage over any trader or explorer build. Just surviving is still not in their favor especially if they are new to the game.

I for one would rathing things stay the same than have content restricted to one (chosen) mode. If you and Algo want to be prats thats on you nobody else.

Actually I do. Its not hard to see Numbers moving around especially in Colonia.

Man I love it when people with no experience try and tell me what I dont know. Its amazing.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

You still dont get it. The people you say are in solo may in fact be in open you cant possible know that unless you have access to the FD information. You can see numbers moving around (where ever you may be) but unless you are omnipresent you cant know what mode or platform the people affecting those number is in/on.

Explain exactly how you know this without the metrics from frontier?

Nope, youre right. I dont know anything.

 

[Goose4291]

You still dont get it. The people you say are in solo may in fact be in open you cant possible know that unless you have access to the FD information. You can see numbers moving around (where ever you may be) but unless you are omnipresent you cant know what mode or platform the people affecting those number is in/on.

Explain exactly how you know this without the metrics from frontier?

Well personally I base it on the myriad of BGS wars Ive been party to where the group standing order is 'go into solo and wreck that other player groups sandcastle' and the 'if youre going to play for this power, min/max your potential by doing it from solo/private' discussions on various powerplay discords.

Thats why I know (i) their motive and (ii) that theyre doing it. Because Ive experienced it first hand.

 

[EvE4evah]

Without block I wouldn't touch open at all, I'm that bored of the station griefers (the only players I block). FDEV have done nothing effective with it, other than hit us all with an exploitable speed limit.



True everyones definition is different, I apply a Wheatons law scale and block people I think are detrimental to the game, usually because they get their jollies trying to spoil other players fun. Or in my own words "being a bit of a " which fits the station griefers perfectly.

The term griefers is overused, but then so are the excuses.



People go with whats easy, hence gankers going for easy kills, mode switching and even cheating.

The best PVP I've done was CZ'ing in Mobius, but they had to ditch it due to griefers infiltrating. The worst PVP I've done is trying to fight gankers as they seem to clog immediatley.

The problem with PVP as you've said is lack of a point, you have to be willing to do it and organise it yourself. Which is a bit stale, there's not much scope for it being spontaneous.

Repped.
Your argumentation abilities would highly benefit ED and these forums if you're willing to come to our side and keep us in check.
You know that, right?
Now don't come with witty excuses…

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I see the block feature being a problem as well, It should only be made for communications. If a person gets blown up 10 times in a row, and they didnt learn to change modes after the 3rd time if the guy was just being a griefer or a jerk. Then yep they are .

Both options have the same effect on you, if they leave to solo then you won't see them, if they block you then you won't see them.

 

[EvE4evah]

And I love it when someone tries to blow smoke up my skirt. Those of you who think you know everything get on the nerves of those of us who do. jk/jk

Awesome EvE avatar!!
+1
That said, babe, you might want to up your forum game

 

[Mouse]

Awesome EvE avatar!!
+1
That said, babe, you might want to up your forum game

She has a rather good argument. And "babe" seriously...

 

[EvE4evah]

She has a rather good argument. And "babe" seriously...

No he doesn't,
And babe, sorry for that, it's our way of saying fam or bro, to our friends, here where I live.




Aside from Ziggy calling me Eveybabe, which really turned me on

 

[Mouse]

No he doesn't,
And babe, sorry for that, it's our way of saying fam or bro, to our friends, here where I live.




Aside from Ziggy calling me Eveybabe, which really turned me on

We will have to agree to disagree on if the argument was good or not.

 

[EvE4evah]

We will have to agree to disagree on if the argument was good or not.

It's cool. World evolves with discussions (sometimes)


That said, the quoted paragraph you're referring as good argument ain't really an argument, it's a jest by Kalie

 

[Mouse]

It's cool. World evolves with discussions (sometimes)


That said, the quoted paragraph you're referring as good argument ain't really an argument, it's a jest by Kalie

I was referring to her argument that she made the jest about. I should have been clear on that.

 

[EvE4evah]

Oh, you mean this one?

You still dont get it. The people you say are in solo may in fact be in open you cant possible know that unless you have access to the FD information. You can see numbers moving around (where ever you may be) but unless you are omnipresent you cant know what mode or platform the people affecting those number is in/on.

Explain exactly how you know this without the metrics from frontier?

Yeah this was brilliantly counterpointed by people who actually have PP and BGS experience, like Goose and Nineties… no need for me to chime in

 

[Mouse]

Oh, you mean this one?



Yeah this was brilliantly counterpointed by people who actually have PP and BGS experience, like Goose and Nineties… no need for me to chime in

Not really but *shrugs* Goose's claim about discussions he's seen. If he claims so then he saw it. I was not partial to those discussions and have no doubt just like anything else you will have people band together. Nineties offers no evidence, just conjecture. I do PP and BGS.. I also don't claim others are conniving against me. Someone in open claims people in solo and PG are working against their power. They are, but there are people in solo and PG working for their power and people in Open working against their power. PP is in all three modes.

 

[EvE4evah]

Not really but *shrugs* Goose's claim about discussions he's seen. If he claims so then he saw it. I was not partial to those discussions and have no doubt just like anything else you will have people band together. Nineties offers no evidence, just conjecture. I do PP and BGS.. I also don't claim others are conniving against me. Someone in open claims people in solo and PG are working against their power. They are, but there are people in solo and PG working for their power and people in Open working against their power. PP is in all three modes.

Congrats, you've basically described indirect PvP.
We're not arguing about its persistence, we're totally cool with people being able to do those, as long as we also get a new feature (see the new here? We aren't proposing to lock away existent features) that allows us to play that game, using PvP. Meaning, PvP actions/counteractions that have PP/BGS repercussions.

 

[Mouse]

Congrats, you've basically described indirect PvP.
We're not arguing about its persistence, we're totally cool with people being able to do those, as long as we also get a new feature (see the new here? We aren't proposing to lock away existent features) that allows us to play that game, using PvP. Meaning, PvP actions/counteractions that have PP/BGS repercussions.

You do.. every time you shoot at someone in the same instance as you and manage to stop them. You can do something those in Solo can't do. You can also wing up.. dang solo players can't do that either. So maybe we should look at ways of improving the game for solo players as they are hamstrung vs those that play in open

 

[EvE4evah]

You do.. every time you shoot at someone in the same instance as you and manage to stop them. You can do something those in Solo can't do. You can also wing up.. dang solo players can't do that either. So maybe we should look at ways of improving the game for solo players as they are hamstrung vs those that play in open

Okay let me pretend you're not trying to troll me with circular argumentation…

That's the whole point of it.
Since PowerPlayers/BGS Players can be shot in Open, which doesn't provide any benefit over S/PG (regarding PP/BGS), most of them simply go play their influence in S/PG, where their efforts can't be hindered by PvPers. Nothing against it, since it's the logical thing to do. That leaves the people interested in PvP with no means of influencing the BGS/PP using PvP ways, which in hindsight has drowned these features into an uninteresting state and a myriad of forum sperging.

All we're asking is for ways of influencing PP/BGS with PvP stuff. While PvE stuff can continue being done in S/PG.

OMG why do I have to draw…

 

[Jockey79]

Perfect, then the changes ive asked for wouldn't effect you or anyone else thats not connected to Powerplay or a Player faction. You'd still be able to do the same thing you are now.

You may sit down. Thanks for your time.

Doesn't matter if they effect me now, or if I decide to PP later.
I paid for full access to all content Frontier makes, so did you.

If you want to remove content from others, then others get to decide in return what content we take form you - I pick PvP, all player to player damage can be removed.

So you get PP locked to open, I don't have to put up with your antics in open, I'll just ghost right through you.

Thanks for your time, deals is done, you may go now

 

[EvE4evah]

Yeah I played EvE for a long time most fun was exploration and scanning down stuff.

Yeah for six months I got tired of LowSec PvP and got crazy over Wormhole scanning. That's how I came to be a WH dweller

I really dont appriciate the "babe" remark, but you may not be saying it in a derogitory way non verbal communication is so clumsy with that aspect.

Thank you for your patience and sorry for the misunderstanding.

I am no forum warrior i pretty much suck at it as everything else so yeah I should probably git gooder at it but meh i just like the discussion. I dont really expect anyone to agree with me but its actuall pretty nice to have the discussion. Thanks for engaging with me.

Welcome and keep on going.

As far as my avatar I would like to change it to Heavy Metal Pinkie Pie but my skills are not quite up to that much photomanipulation

You'll get back to it, I'm pretty sure. Not that you need to…