Rollback the September Update?

sollisb

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Stealthie said:
Only FDev know for sure but I suspect the loss of progress would cause a community meltdown of, erm, nuclear proportions if the game was rolled back to it's pre-update state.

The most constructive thing we can do, now, is probably vote with our wallets (or Arx).
I'll carry on playing the game I already paid for but I won't be spending any more money with FDev until after I buy the 2020 update - and I won't be buying that if this forum suggests it's buggy.
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Exactly what I'm going to do too... Vote with my wallet.
 

Phoenix_Dfire

Phoenix_Dfire
I would say no to a rollback, you have to get these problems fixed going forward. It seems that they don't have the capacity to find these bugs internally so, although its unpleasant for the moment, we have to be the unofficial testers until it settles down.

And Yes, a Beta Test Server would have helped but only if people had tested everything, which hasn't happened in the past!
 

[VR] M4st0d0n

[VR] M4st0d0n
It's not possible to roll back stuff from a patch, except when fourty PvPers get together on a "dragqueen" campain and threaten to do what they usually do.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
znôrt said:
wild speculation: i'm guessing the new era branch is safe and separate. if it even is the same code base, it could be a significant rewrite with imports. also, most veterans being on that new hot branch and only a few interns left to deal with the current could explain a lot. historic bug patterns suggest that they tend to work that way: few, several months long branches with big end-of-cycle merges and selective backport of the fixes and few additions done to the base branch while the new thing was cooking (which is obviously a huge risk if you don't have test coverage). while that's really bad practice and compromises the 'aging' version (aka, on maintenance), at least it would mean that the next iteration could start out somewhat clean.

i'm guessing they are now realizing they need to put more resources and energy back into the current branch. this of course could mean taking them off new era (if that's really what they are doing) and imply a delay. they have to carefully consider what's more important, ensuring that expectations are met in 2020 or dealing with fallout now.
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Even if it's a new game they will never rewrite the code. Also Flight Simulator 2020 is based on FSX code (we're talking about 15 years gap)
 

Fosdyke

Fosdyke
All will be fine in the end. Don't panic!

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Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
No thanks to rolling back, there are some new bugs but not sufficient, in my experience, to go back to the previous version. Bug fixes are rolling out at a sufficient pace to negate the issues, even if some of them break other things, temporarily :)





And I bought Arx, got to Rear Admiral and bought my first ever Corvette in the last couple of weeks.... Nothing like enlightened self-interest, honest!
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Ratkatcher said:
No thanks to rolling back, there are some new bugs but not sufficient, in my experience, to go back to the previous version. Bug fixes are rolling out at a sufficient pace to negate the issues, even if some of them break other things, temporarily :)

And I bought Arx, got to Rear Admiral and bought my first ever Corvette in the last couple of weeks.... Nothing like enlightened self-interest, honest!
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I call fake news as the game is apparently "unplayable".
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Stigbob said:
I call fake news as the game is apparently "unplayable".
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Anarchist Corvette "Fluffy Bunny Ears" is currently in fitting and visiting the plethora of bubble engineers... Once I've jumped out to Colonia, visited Beagle Point and negotiated the Abyssal Plain (in the Corvette, of course - fully battle ready) I'll come looking for you to prove it isn't fake news!!!



It may take a few years as it is my alt - but I'm sure you'll appreciate me not grinding to get to the meeting....
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Ratkatcher said:
Anarchist Corvette "Fluffy Bunny Ears" is currently in fitting and visiting the plethora of bubble engineers... Once I've jumped out to Colonia, visited Beagle Point and negotiated the Abyssal Plain (in the Corvette, of course - fully battle ready) I'll come looking for you to prove it isn't fake news!!!

It may take a few years as it is my alt - but I'm sure you'll appreciate me not grinding to get to the meeting....
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Challenge accepted, I look forward to blocking you from the local contacts menu as soon as you jump in system.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Factabulous said:
There's the technical issues and the social

Why is this engineer not unlocked?
Where is my permit?
Why am I not a lord any more?
Where are my combat bonds?
Where are my missions?
Where are the arx I earned?
Where are my credits?
Why am I in this system?
Where are my first discoveries?
Where are my codex entries?
Where is my newly engineered ship?

Compared to:
I had to wait a few days to do engineering
I had to wait a few days to mine
Mission boards are a bit broken

Not sure people are thinking the options through, even if it was possible.
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No reason to assume FDev haven't already thought about this but I hope FDev have thought about how Arx would be handled in the event of a roll-back.

I mean, it'd be pretty savage for people to "lose" engineering they've completed, credits they've earned or ranks they've gained as a result of a roll-back but that stuff is "only" gameplay-related.

I'd hope they'd think twice about rolling-back people's Arx.
I mean, if you played the game and got rewarded, in Arx, for doing so, the fact that an update was rolled-back shouldn't negate the fact that you did play the game and earn that reward.
Then there's also (arguably more importantly) the issue of bought Arx.
If you purchased, say, 20,000 Arx just after an update and the update got rolled-back it could cause all sorts of real-world chaos if players' Arx balance reverted to it's previous levels after they'd made a purchase of Arx.

Presumably FDev will have everybody's Arx data stored separately from the game data and it'll never be altered as a result of a roll-back but I hope FDev have got a plan in place to deal with the situation if it ever arises.
I'd like to think it wouldn't cause a problem but, y'know...
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Old Duck said:
Nah. Release the December update NOW! It can't be any more unfinished than the September update. The game is broken anyway, so might well go for full broke and use the rest of the time to focus on fixing ALL the bugs.
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It should be the most polished update FDev have ever produced.
After all, it's been sitting on the shelf for almost a year, since FDev announced that the next big update would be 2020 and they needed to hold back something from "Beyond" to generate a bit of excitement in 2019.
 

zimms

zimms
Phoenix_Dfire said:
And Yes, a Beta Test Server would have helped but only if people had tested everything, which hasn't happened in the past!
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During the last couple of days a lot of people have said "beta doesn't work anyway, so why bother". I absolutely don't agree with that.

First of all, nobody ever said public betas are perfect. But they shouldn't replace internal testing anyway, they are an additional testing process.

And let's be honest, these last patches had severe game breaking bugs that would have become apparent within 2min of somebody playing the beta. No hardcore testing regiment required.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
zimms said:
During the last couple of days a lot of people have said "beta doesn't work anyway, so why bother". I absolutely don't agree with that.

First of all, nobody ever said public betas are perfect. But they shouldn't replace internal testing anyway, they are an additional testing process.

And let's be honest, these last patches had severe game breaking bugs that would have become apparent within 2min of somebody playing the beta. No hardcore testing regiment required.
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Yes. And sure, they don't fix everything discovered in the previous betas, but they do generally fix crashes and other "doesn't work at all" bugs. Indeed, the usual complaint is that they only fix those bugs and leave the rest ... well, hopefully 3.5 demonstrates what happens when they don't have that data in advance of release.

Would a Beta have caught the Clipper ship kit bug? Possibly not.

Would it have caught engineering not working, or mission board crashes, or the mining transaction errors? Within an hour of it opening.
 
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