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Ross 128 situation
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Well bummer. I'm rather disappointed by this after-the-fact fenceposting.
Unfortunately, this is what ends up happening during times of war. It brings out the worst in people. I'm an Alliance person at heart, though I'm currently pledged to another power for reasons of pragmatism, and I don't condone ADEC's heavy-handedness. They don't speak for me.
I'm just hoping this war gets resolved quickly, because the longer it drags out, the more likely we'll see some ADEC commanders turning rogue or becoming warlords, accountable to no-one, and carving out their own little fiefdoms in the surrounding systems.
From a practical point of view, I'd recommend relocating business for the time being to somewhere quieter, just until this settles down a bit.
Fly safe, Commander.
I'm just hoping this war gets resolved quickly, because the longer it drags out, the more likely we'll see some ADEC commanders turning rogue or becoming warlords, accountable to no-one, and carving out their own little fiefdoms in the surrounding systems.
From a practical point of view, I'd recommend relocating business for the time being to somewhere quieter, just until this settles down a bit.
Fly safe, Commander.
I have re-read the above and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The situation is this, The system was a super max prison facility for the Feds. This was not some system the Feds used to build ships or keep the Federation going, and without it they were at a disadvantage. This was a prison system! Stop making out AEDC have attacked some innocent Federation system just quietly minding it's own business, growing food/building goods the federation systems are desperate for.
Should AEDC have been able to take the system, considering FDevs response in 2.4, it seems not, but it was available to do in game, and as another permit locked system had been taken previously, and that system WAS a system the Empire used to build ships, so was of strategic importance, it would appear that FDev only care about permit locked systems belonging to the Feds.
Then again FDev have always shown a predaliction for the Feds, as is espoused in many of the FDev live streams where they say it openly that they like the Federation, this should not be a surprise.
Come off it.
There are few systems REDDER than Ross 128, it's a flipping permit system for christ's sakes. Yes it IS a critical Fed territory, innocence or industry is irrelevant. My problem and that of others like me is that there is now something 'wrong' in the Elite universe. A fed permit system, which still requires a fed rank and a fed permit, is now under alliance control. What's more the takeover was unopposed (except by the pathetically ineffectual efforts of the BGS itself). Sure you can say that's Fed players' fault, but still, in the absence of anybody else 'playing the game' EDC has effectively come out on to the playing field, with 11 men against only a goalkeeper (the BGS), then when they won 21-0, claimed a HUGE alliance victory that was completely fair and lore-supporting. It's ridiculous in every way and frankly, I'm surprised EDC themselves who claim to be invested in the Elite universe and lore would have done it in the first place. Like I say, if they did it to prove a point, well done, they did it, they proved that they are organised and skilled enough in playing the BGS to achieve almost any specific goal in the absence of meaningful opposition.
Additionally, it doesn't make any sense from a strategic perspective. Let's see...You're EDC, you're pushing the agenda of a superpower, and you want to take systems and make profit. It's natural, right? Fine. So, what do you do? You choose a starting point and you start expanding. Do you expand in a strategic, measured way? Of course you do. Do you set off in a straight line of conquest toward a Fed permit system to prove a point, creating a line of converted systems, spreading your influence literally as thin as can be in a straight line until you reach your arbitrarily chosen destination system, which you then take unopposed, because nobody was really paying attention? No, of course you don't. What would happen now in any serious war room would be a fed task force cutting the snake in the middle and trapping the Alliance in Fed space while they shoot fish in a barrel, the aggressor would be screwed. All this has done is exposed how unrealistic the proliferation of information is within the game, and how poorly considered certain BGS mechanics are.
Don't worry, this will be put right. By diplomacy or beam and cannon.
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The AEDC worked hard for this, playing in-character and liberating what they see as political prisoners. There's now an Alliance fleet within spitting distance of Sol. Eesh. Good for them. I bet this wasn't easy and it's a cool story.
If the allegations that are flying around about them doing it all in solo are true, well, I'd be less enamoured with that but that's also their right. Just playing the game.
In any case, they must also know that they have effectively painted a target on the back of any Alliance Combine ship for Federal players and indeed probably for the Alliance at large and that's what I'd like to see now.
You think that there should be an in-game Federal reaction? Be that reaction. You want Federal fleets deployed in Alliance space? Go trigger some conflicts in Alliance Combine systems and fight alongside the Corvettes.
Put Alliance rare hubs in lockdown. Take it out on Edmund Mahon in power play. Wrong target? Maybe, but wars are messy and the Feds (for once) didn't start this one. Locked-down Alliance player factions (go for the small ones) will know who to blame.
Anyway, React. Go do something in game instead of all this hand-wringing on here.
If the allegations that are flying around about them doing it all in solo are true, well, I'd be less enamoured with that but that's also their right. Just playing the game.
In any case, they must also know that they have effectively painted a target on the back of any Alliance Combine ship for Federal players and indeed probably for the Alliance at large and that's what I'd like to see now.
You think that there should be an in-game Federal reaction? Be that reaction. You want Federal fleets deployed in Alliance space? Go trigger some conflicts in Alliance Combine systems and fight alongside the Corvettes.
Put Alliance rare hubs in lockdown. Take it out on Edmund Mahon in power play. Wrong target? Maybe, but wars are messy and the Feds (for once) didn't start this one. Locked-down Alliance player factions (go for the small ones) will know who to blame.
Anyway, React. Go do something in game instead of all this hand-wringing on here.
Hm...worked hard...yeh, I can go with that. I would say it was technical, though, not 'difficult'. The method is known, they painstakingly applied it over time until finished, there was never any doubt that they would achieve the goal (as long as their progress continued unchecked), it was just a matter of time. If there had been Federation player groups organised in opposition, then I'd say it was difficult or a well won victory. But there weren't. Even Alliance lore doesn't support the action. Since when did the alliance go on crusades to liberate Fed permit systems? Convert or die? Yeh, Alliance philosophy aligned with necromongers, good job, fully lore-supporting.
Don't get me wrong, I admire their dedication in achieving this, it took a looooong time and coordinated effort, I just wish they'd chosen a more realistic target.
As for the reaction, let's get the galaxy back in order first (i.e. help the Feds retake Ross 128), check out the Thargoid threat level and revisit revenge at a later date if anyone is left to exact it upon.
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The Fed pilots are far better at chasing down Evil Overlords and Silly Dogs and Cats. It's a completely different game to be fair. The Empire has more of the organized BGS types, and would have noticed a green line heading for Achenar.
Not to disparage the technical achievement here, but I think FDEV might have taken Ross 128 more seriously if the greens had announced their intention ahead of time instead of posting victory videos after the fact. It would have made a really cool CG, it beats fighting pirates over beer or whatever.
And I agree completely on Winters. "Im with HER". Too bad she didn't get the pacifier cannon for power play. We have to fight for the T-1000 to get that..
Proper traders, trade imperial slaves, you are an imposter my friend.
Only the scum of the universe trade slaves.
Infidels inbound, another non believer, repent and ye shout be 4given
You won't be... Slaver.
as an bystander, OPs story just tells again that most fed players lack a basic understanding of the BGS (as well as interest), which costed them ross 128 in the first place.
during war (which is the state of the controlling faction in ross 128) trade has no influence effect.
if those feds waste their time interdicting traders, instead of running missions in ross 128 and redeeming bounties, good luck with trying to win ross 128 back ^^
during war (which is the state of the controlling faction in ross 128) trade has no influence effect.
if those feds waste their time interdicting traders, instead of running missions in ross 128 and redeeming bounties, good luck with trying to win ross 128 back ^^
Yes, those Fed players aren't helping anyone or anything, but that's ok, their hearts are in the right place.
When a proper resistance is organised, it won't need luck. The controlling factoin has spread itself thin and will be easy to engage in a weak system, while regular players with no concern for the BGS whittle away their majorities doing Fed missions in the area. As inevitable it was that they would take over unopposed, inevitable it is that with only a little organisation, they can be pushed out again.
This is the best fun one can have, emergent content, player driven. For that I thank EDC wholly, but they should still prepare for a well organised backlash soon(tm). I have been menaing to get inolved in the BGS and as I say, this is the perfect excuse to do some learning.
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OP's story isn't even actual events. He is a long-time member of the group that is responsible for the offensive.
This is just a defamation and recruitment threat disguised as "oh no, not the poor traders!".
Well, at least this settles who has won the honour contest. Meanwhile you have other Alliance and Indy players falling for the bait.
That's interesting, but it doesn't change anything /shrug
Honour? Honour won NO wars. lol.
I didn't need any bait except the Alliance suddenly turning crusaders and invading Fed space flagrantly disregarding the galactic peace or any type of logic.
That was the day I stopped wearing the Alliance badge on my posts.
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Yep. That's the only reason anyone reads this thread - to see how *the honour contest* is going. Glad a winner has been declared - now I can go back to work
