There is no bet placed in ED. There's nothing to win, only an insurance cost to lose.
Same old song about cheaters
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There is no bet placed in ED. There's nothing to win, only an insurance cost to lose.
Or like breaking any arbitrary rule in any game that involves multiple players.
In a non piracy, non BH scenario it is just that. But it's still not according to the rules.
Nuances, which might require judgement calls from the referees.
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In a non piracy, non BH scenario it is just that. But it's still not according to the rules.
Nuances, which might require judgement calls from the referees.
Sure and I would say crime and punishment should be fixed as a replacement to a referee (so that no matter what circumstance it's a really bad move avoiding all risk while even a ganker has a risky job.
Following this thread for the last couple of days seems to indicate that the easiest solution for 90% of the problems stated, would be for FD to say Combat Logging is fine, is not an exploit, and is not cheating.
Then we'd be left with the 2 or 3 posters that say they can't PvP bounty hunt or pirate. They claim this is a promise FD has given them, but haven't shown any proof. I know the web sight used to say you could hunt other players, but doesn't say you can catch them, just that you can hunt them. I don't recall anywhere saying you are promised to be able to PvP kill, or pirate someone, just that it was available. "We allow it", is not the same as "we guarantee you can do it".
Then we'd be left with the 2 or 3 posters that say they can't PvP bounty hunt or pirate. They claim this is a promise FD has given them, but haven't shown any proof. I know the web sight used to say you could hunt other players, but doesn't say you can catch them, just that you can hunt them. I don't recall anywhere saying you are promised to be able to PvP kill, or pirate someone, just that it was available. "We allow it", is not the same as "we guarantee you can do it".
So which one are you? Wilfully ignorant or wilfully misleading?
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Lol. The easiest fix to any problem is to ignore it. Should frontier ignore any difficult to fix bugs or exploits?
And eh.. Go take to elitedangerous.com and go read the combat section under gameplay. There's the promise.
What other words of wisdom do you have?
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I have read your reference, as a matter of fact, here it is:
Arm yourself. It's a cutthroat galaxy out there, and you'll need combat skills to survive.
Why buy cargo when you can pirate it from a fellow Commander? Why explore distant systems when the data can be stolen? The galaxy is filled with vulnerable pilots, but The Pilots Federation takes care of its own.
Commanders who go rogue will accrue a bounty from The Pilots Federation, making them fair game for a would-be bounty hunter in Elite Dangerous' connected galaxy.
Combat, alone with Trading, Exploration and CQC offers progression to the rank of Elite. Rogue Commanders, assassination missions, or paid wetwork from one (or all) the galactic superpowers can bring wealth and respect.
No new words of wisdom needed, the old ones still apply: "We allow it", is not the same as "we guarantee you can do it".
Adam and Eve? Who?
That's somewhat a different topic.
In game crime and punishment will not help with out-of-game cheating.
But yea, both needs an overhaul.
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Don't know about you but when I read that my TV can be used as a TV I don't read it as "We allow it."
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Well it ain't completely unconnected but if ganking is balanced out to be very difficult it would in my opinion remove the moral grey ground when it comes to when cheating is ok, if not reduce it.
But if you have a girlfriend/fiancee/boyfriend/wife/husband living with you, what the TV manufacturer tells you is not the last word.
Last word is what you can agree with your fellow players. NPCs neither complain on the forums about being "griefed for no apparent reason", nor do they complain when you combatlog.
Well, then there's still piracy and people logging because they're "scared" to lose some tons in cargo and whatnot. ^^
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I hate to disappoint you, but ED is not a piece of electronic equipment. However, they TV manufacturer is saying "we allow it". It would be very difficult for them to prevent you from doing so.
The way crime is handled in this game is anarchy so what do you expect out its players?
Combat logging will and should continue to happen until there is a risk for being a murderer. Until then you can call whomever you want a cheater. You wouldnt be wrong, but you are also the cause of the issue.
Griefers are cheaters because they could not exist if there was a full fledged crime system. They are a cheat because they stay in the game and take advantage of a broken mechanic.
Combat loggers are cheaters because they know there is no risk being a griefer so they log out. They choose not to be the only one responsible for the player interaction.
All the risk is put upon the combat logger and the side that is griefing has no risk.
I call it a player interaction because it certainly is not PVP. There is no PVP in this game beyond arranged duels/events and CQC.
Yes I point out griefers vs Non Griefers because it was griefing that caused this in the first place. You have been able to do this since day one. Yet people are only complaining about now because its become an epidemic.
Everyone does it because no one wants to lose 20 hours of progression and their entire reserve credit stash.
Right now the "Danger" in this game is only placed upon the non combat oriented pilots/professions when it comes to player encounters. Murder is not a profession however bounty hunting is. The people that are the cause of this are not bounty hunters and they are not pirates.
When they fix this and its dangerous for a FDL to fly within 2 KM radius of a tanked out T-9 with real defensive weapons, then you can call out the combat loggers.
Getting griefed and forced to play the game other than the way you want, is the cause of the issue.
They made their bed so they can sleep in it. Both sides of this arguments are cheats and no amount of words will fix it.
FDEV will have to fix their games crime and punishment. As well as making defensive ship builds something dangerous for offensive ship builds.
Combat logging will and should continue to happen until there is a risk for being a murderer. Until then you can call whomever you want a cheater. You wouldnt be wrong, but you are also the cause of the issue.
Griefers are cheaters because they could not exist if there was a full fledged crime system. They are a cheat because they stay in the game and take advantage of a broken mechanic.
Combat loggers are cheaters because they know there is no risk being a griefer so they log out. They choose not to be the only one responsible for the player interaction.
All the risk is put upon the combat logger and the side that is griefing has no risk.
I call it a player interaction because it certainly is not PVP. There is no PVP in this game beyond arranged duels/events and CQC.
Yes I point out griefers vs Non Griefers because it was griefing that caused this in the first place. You have been able to do this since day one. Yet people are only complaining about now because its become an epidemic.
Everyone does it because no one wants to lose 20 hours of progression and their entire reserve credit stash.
Right now the "Danger" in this game is only placed upon the non combat oriented pilots/professions when it comes to player encounters. Murder is not a profession however bounty hunting is. The people that are the cause of this are not bounty hunters and they are not pirates.
When they fix this and its dangerous for a FDL to fly within 2 KM radius of a tanked out T-9 with real defensive weapons, then you can call out the combat loggers.
Getting griefed and forced to play the game other than the way you want, is the cause of the issue.
They made their bed so they can sleep in it. Both sides of this arguments are cheats and no amount of words will fix it.
FDEV will have to fix their games crime and punishment. As well as making defensive ship builds something dangerous for offensive ship builds.
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Didn't realise I was posting in the Daily Mail forum.
So sorry, I'll be on my way
Bravo.
If you pick up said TV and killed someone with it, then the manufacturer wouldnt do anything about it. The Police would though. That is where the issue is coming from. You know very well the person you quoted was speaking about the real world. You chose to bring that back into the game environment.
Person was trying to make an analogy in regards to real life and the way this game is played.
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This forum is about the game ED not the real world. I was trying to semi politely say his analogy made no sense. yours is even worse. What issue are you referring to? This thread is about combat logging, not about murder, police, or TVs.
I can understand why people would combat log to avoid paying 20-30m rebuy. As money making is nerfed harder and harder, the amount of people avoiding the rebuy will only increase.
Is the problem combat logging, or the grindy nature of the game turning people off from playing it? Whenever my Conda blows up, it does not inspire me to get right back into the saddle and slowly grind my money back, it just makes me wonder why I still play Elite.
Is the problem combat logging, or the grindy nature of the game turning people off from playing it? Whenever my Conda blows up, it does not inspire me to get right back into the saddle and slowly grind my money back, it just makes me wonder why I still play Elite.
There is no bet placed in ED. There's nothing to win, only an insurance cost to lose.
Actually: I've never used it against another player.
I can imagine where I might. I might go into open to have some company for, say, a CG in a CZ then, on my way back to station, get interdicted by a wing of people in anacondas just looking to player-kill for the lols. Beyond that: not much reason.
Was doing just that the other day. Picked a fight in a CZ with another commander (on opposite team). He might have shot me first, or I might have been an accidental hit; I'm not sure. Either way: I was completely outclassed.
'figured: I signed up for this so if I die, then I die and started boosting to get out of masslock.
Either I out maneuvered him, or he got pulled off by an NPC, or he never much cared for killing me in the first place and deemed me not a threat but I survived.
When *would* I use combat logging?
Accidental police hit in a Res or Nav point. Suddenly 4 opponents in a CZ. Interdiction where high-jumping and returning sounds like a pain in the butt.
Practically: it's impossible to distinguish combat logging from a connection or computer error.
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