As you know full well, I was talking about potentially deleted...referring to the proposed deletion of Powerplay (and the also called for removal of BGS/Cgs) from single player
It obviously hasn't occurred yet...as I'm still here
Sandro: "People who play Open versus other modes are majority, by significant margin"
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As you know full well, I was talking about potentially deleted...referring to the proposed deletion of Powerplay (and the also called for removal of BGS/Cgs) from single player
It obviously hasn't occurred yet...as I'm still here
This thread is pure gold.
Sandro: "A significant majority of people play in open."
Carebears: "Actually..."
Sandro: "A significant majority of people play in open."
Carebears: "Actually..."
Could say DEFINITIVELY without any question whether that statement mean
a) More people play in Open than all other modes COMBINED
b) More people play in open than play in any of the other modes
c) More people play Powerplay in Open
As it seems to me that the statement could equally mean any of those three...
And even if it didn't, as has been said earlier EVEN IF 51%+ of players use Open over singel-player and co-op player modes is that REALLY any justification to simply and arbitrarily begin deleting major game components from them, for no reason?
I rest my case.
Above comment is "gold" (by above commenter's standards, not mine).
Lehman: Loosely paraphrases a dev. Then throws an indiscriminate insult at fellow forumites.
I play in open with Rick Sanchez but your statement above has even less meaning than the actual statement Sandro stated.
A significant majority of people play in open... means simply that somewhat more than 50% of the players play in open. Which is meaningless because it is not exclusively qualified with "open only" or "nothing but open"
By your statement it's quite possible that 70% play in open and 99% play in solo.
The interface between statistics and language is one that requires a lot of qualifying to be meaningful.
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Interpreting a statement is not worthwhile,
it could have a bazillion other meanings too,
like Sandro wishing for the game and story happening in open,
to have interesting and dynamic interactions to base articles and news upon.
Stuff happening in a chaotic mode has been media relevant, just remember the Salami incident.
I won't exclude the cool stuff that solo/pg initiatives created like Obsidian Orbital in the Pleiades,
the colonia settlement and the charity exploration for a cancer patient
(at least those are what i think were solo/pg initiatives).
After all what moves the galaxy is those news that players generate.
But it seems to me that the key stories are lived and felt in open.
That of course is personal opinion.
That is how democracy works, majority vote and done, doesn't matter if only 1% more than the rest is the deciding factor,
unless clearly outlined before a decision that you need 66%.
I do not think the crusading against this statement is worth the time invested,
unless people want to go for hilarity or salt.
Final words:
I play all three modes, but i only use solo/pg for board flipping,
as the missions generated are not sufficient in number and diversity.
My game happens in open, that is combat, hauling, piracy and exploration,
i had some very enjoyable encounters.
I do not understand why people want to impact and influence a community (open)
via powerplay and bgs, they are not part of and exclude themselves from.
No guts no galaxy.
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It all has become pretty dumb alright.
Course FDev has the exact figures for EVERYTHING players do yet never reveal actual numbers.
Guess I have to wonder why?
Course FDev has the exact figures for EVERYTHING players do yet never reveal actual numbers.
Guess I have to wonder why?
Funny how "science" or "scientific aspects" (figures numbers in a social experiment called E: D)
can become a religous infighting, huh?
Which again comes back to the second part of my question...EVEN IF Open represents 51% of the Playerbase...why would people cheerlead and vociferously CALL FOR gameplay content to be arbitrarily REMOVED from other Elite Players...
We're not talking about people saying oh no! Don't develop lots of l33t new content for Open...Decals! Bonus Weekends! Guilds! etc etc...
But why oh why oh why are Open players SO excited about the prospect of progressively removing existing Game content from a significant proportion of the playerbase...with the likely result that those player numbers will dwindle?
Fellers .... it's just modes. Not playing style. Modes.
A significant majority plays in one of them. This was bound to happen. Why care?
And it's great that mode is Open. It signifies most people decide by themselves they want to play in that mode. It's evidence players feel they are rewarded sufficiently for playing in that mode. No need for extra incentives. It's great for all players.
I'm not understanding how players have alligned themselves with a certain mode and see this as a victory/loss.
A significant majority plays in one of them. This was bound to happen. Why care?
And it's great that mode is Open. It signifies most people decide by themselves they want to play in that mode. It's evidence players feel they are rewarded sufficiently for playing in that mode. No need for extra incentives. It's great for all players.
I'm not understanding how players have alligned themselves with a certain mode and see this as a victory/loss.
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Hihi.... exactly.
If the "significant majority" was playing in Open (which is only true if you use an accounting trick that colors the Data in your favor), what would be holding them back to publish the numbers?
Why not use them to advertise Open and use it as an influential multiplier for any MultiPlayer-only features/content? After all, it's not like that Data would affect national security of the UK or something.
You can bet your hemisphere that they'd use favorable Data publicly to their advantage - if only they could.
Thing is - they can't, since Open Play participation has decayed to a minority and Open Play has long passed its rubicon.
There was hope when the new C&P was first announced to be in the works. Folks patiently waited to assess if this would change anything. Well, it didn't (except punishing accidents/small errors of Clean guys harder).
It's only an estimate, but taking the past and reliable Trends into consideration I think Open Play currently accounts for maybe ~47% of the Playerbase. Some ~53% is found not in Open Play.
This Thread is pure Popcorn & Chips material, with the self-proclaimed vocal "Alphas" clinging to the illusion they're not the Betas they actually represent since over half a year xD
(the unchanged amount of "Please come back to Open Play because {insert stawman argument} and it's so much cooler!" Threads speaks for itself)
I do play in Open, but I think just for kicks I'll check out how busy PG is when I'm back in the bubble. I don't like the bubble though, but that's probably a Colonia attitude.
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You must have not read/understood the posts:
- stealth undermining in solo/pg
- actively hurting a teamplaying power by abusing solo/pg systems
That to me is griefing, that is no subterfuge, that is no espionage,
that is simply abusing a system.
For me same applies to the BGS, but that is a total different topic.
It is a necessary step, that should have been taken PRIOR to powerplay integration.
I do not like to have to repeat this every day here.
Knowing the playerbase would go witch hunting.
This is my transcript of the relevant, to this discussion, part of the stream
From about 51:45 on from the stream:
Sandro said:
"The people playing in Open is not a small group. It's the majority. More people play in Open than the other modes - by a significant margin.So
That shouldn't be taken though as a "so we gona do open only powerplay" that's absolutely the furthest from our eyes (?)
It's just a … it hopefully saves some conspiracy arguments (?) where people complain about "well there's no players in open" "forever plays in open" (?).
The truth is a lot of people play in Open.
But there are significant portions of players in Solo, significant portions of players in Private Groups. We want to support everyone the best we can.
But we also want to make sure the game is as good as it can be. It's an interesting challenge. "
(?) - hard to understand what he said
Listen to the segment for yourself as I have probably misheard things and made mistakes. I think the overall information is correct.
From about 51:45 on from the stream:
Sandro said:
"The people playing in Open is not a small group. It's the majority. More people play in Open than the other modes - by a significant margin.So
That shouldn't be taken though as a "so we gona do open only powerplay" that's absolutely the furthest from our eyes (?)
It's just a … it hopefully saves some conspiracy arguments (?) where people complain about "well there's no players in open" "forever plays in open" (?).
The truth is a lot of people play in Open.
But there are significant portions of players in Solo, significant portions of players in Private Groups. We want to support everyone the best we can.
But we also want to make sure the game is as good as it can be. It's an interesting challenge. "
(?) - hard to understand what he said
Listen to the segment for yourself as I have probably misheard things and made mistakes. I think the overall information is correct.
Yep very diplomatic answer, actually saying nothing,
confirming nothing, only denying the argument "open is empty".
People took that and exaggerated it, much like a cultist
taking the "word of his god" and interpreting it into doomsaying.
If FD ever gonna read this thread thoroughly they will surely
find feedback, whether it is usable, or simple exaggeration and fear mongering.
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It wasn't me that injected that into the game it was the person I was replying too, so I took the .
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Why? Knowing that non-Open Players form the majority vs. Open? We already know that.
And it's a narrow split anyway, still making them fairly equal. One could set details and hair-splitting numbers aside and say it's very roughly about 50:50, good enough. None being the wiser.
Plus, there's already been "witchhunting" Threads against Solo/PG Players since >3 years now, so that wouldn't be anything new.
FDev could easily pull their head out of any heat - they didn't lie after all, they only chose their words (typical for them) very carefully with an agenda. Best business practice, no harm done.
Sure instancing are an issue, but I am sure that FDev said they would take a pass and improve that for oopp. Again though, let us worry about that.
I seriously doubt that any player has any hard evidence or data, what mode is frequented more.
There are a lot of players playing elite without reading/participating the forums, reddit,
or other social platforms.
If however FD would publish openly post their numbers and statistics
(never trust statistics you din't fake yourself), however the witchhunting
would get leverage and one side might rage at FD for providing service
to the minority.
Opening up a powderkeg with a lighter in the hand?
The whole discussion should focus on how to improve Elite
and how it can finally have a living and breathing galaxy, imo.
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A bit earlier in the stream Sandro said something along the lines* of open-only PP won't happen in the short term or even mid term.
Everybody exited about "open only power play" should probably dial back their expectations - a lot.
(But finding potential problems, addressing them in feedback and maybe even think about potential solution is probably very helpful for FDev)
Why do Pineapple on Pizza people make fun of non-pineapple people?
Why does Reddit often devolve into Star Citizen Kickstarter vs Elite Dangerous Kickstarter.
Why do "Wintards" and "Mactards" try to denounce anyone of the opposite religion?
Competition is a great thing. Without it, development would slow to a crawl and partiality has always been a major aspect of human life and the seed of many a war throughout history.
However, it's only these last couple of years that extreme partisanship seems to be trickling down to increasingly trivial aspects of daily life.
It seems that people are no longer willing to let alternative viewpoints stand or to engage in fruitful dialogue.
Instead everything is posed in bombastic terms and people go ballistic without actually even clearly understanding what they're fighting for.
In every single forum I visit, whether its scientific, gaming, political, technical, I see an increase in bile, rhetoric and personal attacks at the expense of lighthearted dialogue, open competition, unified support for the betterment of the community etc.
It's a case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.
I guess it's just a reflection of the modern "deglobalisation" and "factionisation" and "me first" that seems to be smearing itself everywhere.
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