A single feature does not make a switchover,
much like a single swallow doesn't bring summer.
Reinforcing the exaggeration policy driven in this forum with your doomsaying
is a result.
Sandro: "People who play Open versus other modes are majority, by significant margin"
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A single feature does not make a switchover,
much like a single swallow doesn't bring summer.
Reinforcing the exaggeration policy driven in this forum with your doomsaying
is a result.
Removing a core gameplay Pillar from single-player mode changes the game from, single-player/multi-player to Multi-Player with some limited single-player functionality doesn't it?
Plus when you put it alongside other factors extensive multi-player only development - (CQC Multi-Crew Wing Missions Squadrons Carriers) Dev's stating they WANT players IN Open and OUT of other modes etc etc
Can only give Single-Players one impression...not welcome
If Elite were the only good game in existance I'm sure people would stick around even after the dev's have told them they're lower than the proverbial Whale Droppings...but it isn't is it?
What part of open only PP or "majority of players" means the game is going pvp only? Going into open doesn't restrict you to PvP only gameplay, it just means that PvP is a possibility.
But that's not what's happening, is it?
A game that can be played as single or multiplayer is proposing a change to make one aspect of the game multiplayer only, on the basis that the developer sees it as a multiplayer feature.
That is what is happening.
Your spiteful attitude and determination to continually distort this consideration as a negative thing is remarkable. And not in a good way.
Dear FDev,
I don't expect you to reveal the statistics on this forum or elsewhere but I urge you to go and look at the statistics for player's behaviour with regard to PvP as well as what mode they play in.
You seem to have applied faulty logic in assuming that players want adversarial gameplay simply on the basis that they're playing the game in Open mode.
Again, go and look at your stat's for PvP activity.
The very fact that the majority of players are in Open mode and yet do not participate in PvP would seem to suggest that what players are actually looking for is an opportunity for cooperative gameplay - cooperative gameplay that cannot be subverted into an excuse for PvP by those interested in it.
Regards, Stealthie.
I don't expect you to reveal the statistics on this forum or elsewhere but I urge you to go and look at the statistics for player's behaviour with regard to PvP as well as what mode they play in.
You seem to have applied faulty logic in assuming that players want adversarial gameplay simply on the basis that they're playing the game in Open mode.
Again, go and look at your stat's for PvP activity.
The very fact that the majority of players are in Open mode and yet do not participate in PvP would seem to suggest that what players are actually looking for is an opportunity for cooperative gameplay - cooperative gameplay that cannot be subverted into an excuse for PvP by those interested in it.
Regards, Stealthie.
This game was never a single player game. Solo is just a way to play the multiplayer galaxy on your own. If the game had a single player option it would have some sort of a story or a narrative to guide the player.
Not arguing or opposing, but wondering - what made you to assume that they have applied such logic?
Curious.
Not what it says here - which as it is a PURCHASING portal you would think, had some duty towards accuracy
https://store.steampowered.com/app/359320/Elite_Dangerous/
Playing in open means that you welcome the possibility of pvp, how could it not? I am lost by this logic?
Absolutely! I couldn't agree more!
It IS only a proposal at this stage and I sincerely hope that Elite remains a full-featured single-player/multi-player game (both aspects of which I enjoy)
If it remains so I'll be the first to apologise and confess I'd gone all "chicken-licken...the sky is falling in" for no reason and be happy to look like a chump...
On the other hand if it does go down the route of Multi-Player Game (with some more limited aspects of single-player functionality) I'll stand by whatever i've said...
That boat's already sailed, mate.
You play the game, does solo feel like a single player game? It doesn't to me. Also they are not removing solo, they are only proposing that PP become open only. So an advisarial part of the game can benifit from pvp. In the post that proposed it Sandro did say that they wanted PP to be the pvp aspect of the game.
The fact that, to this point, their only proposal is lock PP (an adversarial game element) to Open mode.
Personally, I suspect that this change would never have been proposed if it hadn't been for the appearance of 'bot ships manipulating PP.
FDev can't find a way to prevent 'bot ships so they're considering making PP Open-only so that players can, at least, destroy 'bot ships when they see them.
Which, to digress, is not going to solve the issue of 'bots and will, instead, simply force the operators to focus on a different aspect of the game instead.
If that is the case then FDev should have said so, rather than going with this "Most people are in Open so we're giving them another reason to shoot at each other while they're there" line of rhetoric.
Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Just leaving this here: the two most upvoted comments about this statement are this:
Open dwarfs Solo/PG, and many people not in Open are perfectly fine with some gameplay being Open Only. Which is nice to see.
Open dwarfs Solo/PG, and many people not in Open are perfectly fine with some gameplay being Open Only. Which is nice to see.
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Great, so make PvP impossible outside PP. Griefing problem solved and everyone can go back to playing in open.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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No stealthie. Its both.
Give meaning to PVP. Or would you rather everything be a grief because you dont need to PVP to do anything?
If you could never flip systems against other people. Then this would never be an issue. people arent playing against the game. They are playing against each other.
That doesnt belong in solo or private.
Ya'll just need to suck it up. git gud. And get over it.
"Welcome"?
I think "accept" would be a more suitable word.
Just as I accept the possibility of violence when I walk down the street in real life.
Doesn't mean I want it to happen or it's the reason I'm walking down the street to begin with.
Same thing in a game like ED.
I really, really would like to get behind your line of thinking there, and would have done in the past.
It's just that my respect for Steam/Valve has been completely eroded in recent years.
The only duty they know is the duty towards their bottom line.
Not that that's anything revolutionary new, but it has become exceedingly apparent and shameless.
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TheMegaTurnip
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Bit late i guess, but straight on the nose with this one. Using the mechanics from behind closed doors IE: Solo/Pg to manipulate opposing factions/powers is PvP. It's a direct response to player action. Dress it up however you like, but just because it doesn't involve shooting each others modules off, doesnt mean its not PvP content. This seems to SOMEHOW?! get lost in translation. You are affecting other player's gameplay. Erefore it is PvP. Its just behind closed doors PvP, guilt and risk free if you will. Which is fine, if you wanna play it passively, do so. But do not expect to be able to do that in a mode where you are toatally untouchable and then claim that its not fudging up the content for other people as much as that "griefer" costs you 60+ million everytime you jump into a CG. Its exactly the same thing. Hence why both PP and BGS imo should be open ONLY. Something that affects everyone should not be allowed to be manipulated without any interaction with the players it may affect, otherwise what the point in the game mode you know? Moreover. And be as salty as you like, please. But advocating the allowance of private/solo BGS makes you look yellow as f*ck.
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