Scooping: Safety or speed

Raiko

Raiko
100% throttle all the way from Galileo Station / Sol to Sag A* three times, with very little damage. I don't slow down for anyone.

To add something a little constructive to the debate, I'm 90% sure that I dodged two 'close-binary' encounters because I was at 100% throttle. Each time I dropped out of Witchspace and my fuel scoop went straight to 100% rate, but I was out of the danger-zone before anything bad happened. So as far as I'm concerned 100% throttle is safer. :p
 
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Ziljan

Ziljan
Full throttle while hitting ADS, dive down to scoop 870/s, start charging FSD while at full depth, then immediately pull up and complete refueling before leaving the corona at 80% heat. Hit the system map hot key while aligning for the next star. If anything interesting is worth scanning I cancel the jump, otherwise proceed on to the next system. This will average about 7500 CR per 45s jump cycle.

Stopping to to scan each star is a waste of time and money. All you get is a name tag and a paltry 3000 CR which also added another 25 seconds to your jump cycle and reduced your chances of finding an ELW by ~40% that evening because you wasted time tip-toeing around a reduced number of stars.
 

Traveller_GG

Traveller_GG
Ziljan said:
Full throttle while hitting ADS, dive down to scoop 870/s, start charging FSD while at full depth, then immediately pull up and complete refueling before leaving the corona at 80% heat. Hit the system map hot key while aligning for the next star. If anything interesting is worth scanning I cancel the jump, otherwise proceed on to the next system. This will average about 7500 CR per 45s jump cycle.

Stopping to to scan each star is a waste of time and money. All you get is a name tag and a paltry 3000 CR which also added another 25 seconds to your jump cycle and reduced your chances of finding an ELW by ~40% that evening because you wasted time tip-toeing around a reduced number of stars.
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AND you left the toilet seat up!
 

Leper Messiah

Leper Messiah
Anyone else scoop at 0.33-32 c? I often do a mixture of all suggestions, as the op says when I'm scanning the star, but once the star is scanned I tend to point just away from the star in case. Also when on speed runs I come out of SC full chat and depending on where my next system is I swing around the star scooping at around 0.33 c, temp in my Asp gets to around 65-70% and I'm scooping 450-500.
 

iain666

iain666
Ziljan said:
This will average about 7500 CR per 45s jump cycle.
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And is therefore absolutely fine if max CR/hr or systems/session is your aim.

If you really couldn't give a stuff about that, however, then do it whatever way you feel like. There is no "right" answer.
 

Zieman

Zieman
Ziljan said:
Full throttle while hitting ADS, dive down to scoop 870/s, start charging FSD while at full depth, then immediately pull up and complete refueling before leaving the corona at 80% heat. Hit the system map hot key while aligning for the next star. If anything interesting is worth scanning I cancel the jump, otherwise proceed on to the next system. This will average about 7500 CR per 45s jump cycle.

Stopping to to scan each star is a waste of time and money. All you get is a name tag and a paltry 3000 CR which also added another 25 seconds to your jump cycle and reduced your chances of finding an ELW by ~40% that evening because you wasted time tip-toeing around a reduced number of stars.
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I was going to say something, but.

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iain666

iain666
Ziljan said:
Indeed. But there is a right answer for each person. More information helps more people find that right answer.
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Fair enough. "you wasted time tip-toeing around a reduced number of stars" does sound a wee bit judgemental of people who come up with different right answers to yours though, even if you didn't mean it to, which is what triggered my response.
 

Ziljan

Ziljan
iain666 said:
Fair enough. "you wasted time tip-toeing around a reduced number of stars" does sound a wee bit judgemental of people who come up with different right answers to yours though, even if you didn't mean it to, which is what triggered my response.
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That is my personal preference more than a judgment, and I think that many people here would rather claim one ELW per night than 80 random forgettable M stars with ~6 attendant ice worlds. To be clear, I am not passing judgement on anyone's playstyle. I think that M class surveys are a perfectly valid way to play the game. I've done dwarf surveys myself when I was pondering the nature of (absent from this game) globular clusters and dwarf galaxy collisions with the milky way.
 

Traveller_GG

Traveller_GG
Ziljan said:
That is my personal preference more than a judgment, and I think that many people here would rather claim one ELW per night than 80 random forgettable M stars with ~6 attendant ice worlds. To be clear, I am not passing judgement on anyone's playstyle. I think that M class surveys are a perfectly valid way to play the game. I've done dwarf surveys myself when I was pondering the nature of (absent from this game) globular clusters and dwarf galaxy collisions with the milky way.
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I like to look at stuff.
 

ASC

A
Traveller_GG said:
I keep reading about people saying that they crash and burn when scooping, heat damage here, hull damage there.
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If you hit a star while scooping, then you probably just need to turn on orbit lines.

Raiko said:
100% throttle all the way from Galileo Station / Sol to Sag A* three times, with very little damage. I don't slow down for anyone.

To add something a little constructive to the debate, I'm 90% sure that I dodged two 'close-binary' encounters because I was at 100% throttle. Each time I dropped out of Witchspace and my fuel scoop went straight to 100% rate, but I was out of the danger-zone before anything bad happened. So as far as I'm concerned 100% throttle is safer. :p
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This.
 

Zelos1983

Z
For me it depends where the next jump is. sometimes it is behind the star, in which case I scoop at speed to circumvent it, so that - ideally - I can pull out and spool the FTL at the time I finish scooping.
Otherwise, I reduce the throttle.

"Most" crashes happen because the Client does not always accept the "zero throttle" command. It is safe to issue when the countdown starts, but at the end of witchspace, when entering, the throttle might be unresponsive, even if pressed multiple times. So when you arrive, it might not be in the position you assumed it to be.

The heat safety level is well below the max scoop level, so the DBE makes it really hard to crash. Even then, the temps are low enough that you can safely go back to super cruise or even jump to the next star (depending on the sun).

Edit: The reason for my zero throttle policy is that I'm often doing other stuff besides flying. I have a three monitor setup, mostly I watch movies on the 2nd and have fb/forums/etc open on the third.
 
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Traveller_GG

Traveller_GG
I've noticed that this thread has highlighted different mindsets that people have when exploring... there's a clear type of explorer that is always looking to the next system: jump in, quick look, jump out... on and on... see what is next. Rainbow chasers :)

Then there those that jump in, look around, make sure things get scanned, fill the tank, kick back... read a book... :)

What my initial post was trying to highlight was that there is a method of filling your tank that (when done properly) allows zero risk of overheating while giving you the time to honk and *closely* look at the system view to see if there are stellar bodies worth investigating (you know: listen to the music, compare the planet to chart and so on)
 

Whiterose

Whiterose
we all have different methods...I zero throttle, jump to the system, honk and scan the star. While scanning look athe the system map, make a call on what I am going to scan if anything, look at the distances. Exit the system map, then scoop and scan before jumping. While scooping log the star type and then record the next system I am jumping too. I always scoop at every star (provided its FOGKBAM). 16,000Ly out still at 100% hull.
 

Ziljan

Ziljan
With a 6A scoop, I have plenty of time to "closely look" at a system even while speed-jumping, checking the distances, star mass, and ages for terraformables etc. In fact, I also have enough of time to alt+tab and read the forums, or change up my music playlist on youtube, catch up on recent events, and stay informed on new game developments. I even have to time to write these posts. All while scooping and honking at 45 intervals. I scan what is worth scanning, or whatever is part of any survey I am doing (WD, NS, BH, Dwarfs, Ammonias, Terraformables). It isn't so much about the dollar value as it is about what is scientifically or aesthetically interesting. When I am done, I head home at full speed, not stopping for even ELWs. If I go any slower I feel like a bug stuck in amber, trapped in a certain part of the galaxy for what seems like an eternity.
 

Cdr Voorheez

Cdr Voorheez
I have a set routine for scooping and so far have had *touches 'wood'* no real issues.

ORBIT LINES REMAIN ON AT ALL TIMES WHEN I EXPLORE

1. Zero throttle on 4.3.2.1.engage, usual routine so far.
2. Still at zero throttle and travelling at 30km/s I aim the 'nose' of my ship upwards so that my reticule is alligned at 12 on top of the orbit line.
2a. I detail scan the star whilst simultaneously advanced discovery scanning the system.
2b. I check the system map for interesting planets.
2c. If nothing is apparent and after I have detail scanned the star I am going to refuel from, I lock the next system on my journey in the nav computer
3. I accelerate to the mid point in the blue zone of acceleration and watch my scoop rate rising. I continue to keep my reticule on top of the orbit line horizon, this means small upward adjustments of the joystick
4. when I am approaching maximum scoop scoop rate I throttle to zero and slightly angle down the nose of my ship, still keeping the reticule on top of the orbit lines horizon. This depends on the class/rating of your fuel scoop, but lets use a 4A for example, this is 343kg/s.
5. I throttle to zero I make final very small adjustments to my upward/downward attitude, watching as it affects my scoop rate and aiming for maximum scoop rate, in this example it would be 343kg/s for a 4A scoop.
6. I watch my heat percentage at all times, depending on your ship this will hover in the 60-64% range if you have redundant modules disabled, for example: Shields/AFMU/power distributor/cargo hatch.
7. I sit back and wait for the tank to fill, then I angle my nose upwards and accelerate away from the star, watching my heat percentage dropping below 50% before engaging hyperpsace to the next star.

Not textbook and a little slow but I follow this routine on every refuel without fail. We all have our own routines. Its great to read them.
 
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