General / Off-Topic Scottish Referendum Result. Post your thoughts here.

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
Juniper said:
As someone who supported the Yes campaign from afar, it would have been great to have DC up there banging on (and on, and on) about how we're all in it together, and he's one of them anyway because his father's mother's sister had an uncle who was Scottish. It would have done the Yes campaign a power of good, and we would have won by a landslide.

But he was well advised to stay away. The only reason the three stooges went charging up the M6 was because a single YouGov poll put Yes ahead by 51 to 49, and they panicked.

I don't believe the Queen had anything to do with it. Freddie died 23 years ago anyway. :(
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I can see your point. I don't accept it, simply because the actual outcome has been the worst of both worlds. It was an avoidable outcome but Cameron and Miliband have been badly advised.

The issue remain very much alive and the promises will undoubtedly further inflame the issue.

As for the queen, I won't pursue the matter. It's been widely reported. But an relatively minor in the scheme of things. This is just a discussion and there is little to be gained from pursuing it.

The question was, what do the current protestors in Scotland want? #135.

I hope, together, we have reached some sort of consensus on that, if not on the issue itself.
 

Dusty

Dusty
Looks like the silent majority silenced the vocal minority at the ballot box and I'm happy to see Scotland remain within the union.

British isn't just a union of countries, its has become a multicultural union around the world and the British identity is perhaps the most multicultural identity in the world.
 

Juniper

Juniper
Surfinjo said:
I can see your point. I don't accept it, simply because the actual outcome has been the worst of both worlds. It was an avoidable outcome but Cameron and Miliband have been badly advised.
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Well I'm really not sure why you would think that, since Cameron and Milliband got exactly what they wanted - status quo. The corrupt system is still very much in place. Seems to me like their plan worked rather well.

The simple fact is, there will always be a sizeable number of people in Scotland who want independence. The issue will never go away. Even if they get what they want one day, there will be a sizeable number who disagree and want to be part of the Union, so we'll have something akin to a Northern Ireland situation all over again. You only have to look at what happened in George Square in the aftermath of the result to have confirmation of that. :(
 

Andy Kappa

Andy Kappa
Juniper said:
The tongue in cheek smiley was placed deliberately. ;)
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Indeed it was. :)

For some reason I was feeling fairly flippant yesterday, and it just looked like a good candidate for a bit of lightweight humour. I'm sure DBOBE has no intention of running for office (although given the state of the national political landscape right now I don't doubt he'd garner a few votes if he did :rolleyes:).
 
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jabokai

jabokai
Surfinjo said:
As for the queen, I won't pursue the matter. It's been widely reported. But an relatively minor in the scheme of things. This is just a discussion and there is little to be gained from pursuing it.
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Ha ha, I love it when someone posting something as a fact is questioned on it and cannot, or will not, provide an answer, instead deflecting it with a "let's not talk about that right now" wave of the hand. I saw no reporting that said what you wrote (more than once) - mind you I don't read the Sunday Sport so maybe I missed it. :p
 

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
Juniper said:
Well I'm really not sure why you would think that, since Cameron and Milliband got exactly what they wanted - status quo. The corrupt system is still very much in place. Seems to me like their plan worked rather well.
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Possibly. It depends upon the Scots now. Are they willing to back down and accept that the promises made had no value or not?

Because if the constitutional changes are implemented, it will cause reverberations.

I have a strong feeling that Cameron may try to pull a similar trick to his Leveson promises. You may recall, Cameron announce that he would accept the results of the enquiry in full.

The whole enquiry was panned out for a lengthy time, complete with theatrics from Murdoch.

In the end, he did no such thing of course. The campaign group supporting Leneson seems to have run out of steam, high profile victims are accepting payoffs, those that have stood firm have been labeled as fools and whiners.

That is the risk with this issue. That the Scots will tire and the issue will die a death. Nothing substantial will change. Labour will get back in power in the Edinburgh Parliament and their economy will be quickly brought back into line with the UK. All the gains of the last 8 years will be gone.

From there, nothing will be done about the English constitution at all.

That's the risk. And from the way things are developing, I have a feeling it may be the reality.
 

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
For all the British establishment’s self-righteous bluster, in other words, the truth is that the conduct of western foreign policy since the late 1990’s – above all in the Middle East – has been so chaotic, so reckless, and so lacking in any credible foundation of principle or law, that it is now difficult for the people of many western countries to believe a single word uttered by their government about who their enemies really are, and how high a level of threat they pose. Since the 9/11 attacks of 2001, allegations of terrorist threat have been so ruthlessly used to strip away civil liberties and to invade the privacy of citizens that they have come to seem more like a pretext for authoritarianism, and a massive marketing opportunity for global security corporations, than a genuine strategy for national defence.
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