Secrets of Dr. Wu hybrids

Sorry, but in my opinion its simply a very unfriendly and wrong statement.
I was not the biggest fan of hybrids for the whole Jurassic Park/World universe, but I like that the Hybrids are still looking like realistic animals and even if I don´t had to many in my Parks i wished all Hybrids from JWE I would be ingame for their fans!
IT´s an important part of this Filmuniverse that Hybrids show us what could happen if scientists play GOD and have not enough respect for Nature ! ( OR someone just wants to make more money with" more teeth"!)
For this reason I wisched Frontier would give the Players that like the Hybrids, all of them from JWE I, despite i like more the Dinosaurs/Pterosaurs and Marine Reptiles !

Realistic animals?? Hmmmm if you say so :ROFLMAO:

And I could understand, if they were actually a part of the official franchise. Makes sense to have Indominus and Indoraptor. But I just don't see the need for all the other monstrosities.
 
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It's a bit baffling that Spinoraptor, Stegoceratops, and Ankylodocus were left out of Evolution 2, especially when Spinoraptor became a huge fan favorite. It would be great to have them make a return, giving Stegoceratops a little adjustment to slightly de-exaggerate some of its features like the massive horns and random spikes, and redesigning Ankylodocus to better show the features of both animals, something similar to this fan design.

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If they are/will be planned for JWE2, I doubt they will be given any sort of model change, because if you look at everything else that’s returned, nothing in-game has a single 3-D model change anywhere. I don’t even know if the rex has any to its skull, so if there are exceptions in there, then it’s completely minor in comparison.
 
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Realistic animals?? Hmmmm if you say so :ROFLMAO:

And I could understand, if they were actually a part of the official franchise. Makes sense to have Indominus and Indoraptor. But I just don't see the need for all the other monstrosities.
If we're going down that thought route, there's really no need for any of the dinosaurs and reptiles and aren't part of the film and book canon.
 
If we're going down that thought route, there's really no need for any of the dinosaurs and reptiles and aren't part of the film and book canon.

Oh I thought this was still a dinosaur franchise? Has it become all hybrids now, or? No. It's a dinosaur game. Of course it needs dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are the sole reason we are even playing this game. Hybrids were a movie add-on to differentiate the new movies from the old, since they are bascially story copies of the old movies.

The whole point of Jurassic World is creating a dinosaur park.
 
Oh I thought this was still a dinosaur franchise? Has it become all hybrids now, or? No. It's a dinosaur game. Of course it needs dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are the sole reason we are even playing this game. Hybrids were a movie add-on to differentiate the new movies from the old, since they are bascially story copies of the old movies.

The whole point of Jurassic World is creating a dinosaur park.
You mean the same dinosaur franchise which has continuously added new hybrids and has recently incorporated Paleozoic and Cenozoic animals to the film canon?

It still is a dinosaur franchise, and like all franchises it has evolved to include new features such as genetic hybrids. And again what’s with the uproar against people who want just a handful of additional hybrids to be added to the game and have a little variety?
 
Yeah, I really want them back. I enjoyed using them. It's really cool to make "natural" dinosaur parks and preserves and all, but the game doesn't have many more options than that and the selection of hybrids we had were a great way to make something different that was still fun and unmistakably Jurassic World. Freakshows, battle arenas, research facilities. We can do those now, but the options are really samey (big indo, small indo and deformed indo) and it's taken the fun out of it.

Plus, Stegoceratops is canon, Spinoraptor is a fan favorite and even the least popular Ankylodocus still has its fans (like Mjmannella up there I really liked it, I thought its dopey nature gave it character especially compared to some of the fairly drab sets of similar dinosaurs we got in the first game).

I'm pretty sure they will return too. Frontier has the assets, they just need some updating which is cheaper than producing new animals, and new people keep showing asking for them and other hybrids. And while this forum and the subreddit may seem like the fanbase is against it, the "backlash" is always from the same 3-4 whiners hijacking it. Hybrids are very popular and bring publicity - fandom activity spikes whenever they show up. E720 was huge.

I'm a little annoyed about it too, because other parts of the franchise (toys, mobile games, TV shows) have successfully continued adding hybrids and Scorpios Rex being added now proves that despite speculation to the contrary by said whiners Frontier has nothing against adding more hybrids. That means clearly Frontier held them back to sell to us again. I thought making sure everybody who bought stuff for JWE1 got to keep it except the people who bought Secrets of Dr Wu was a pretty crappy move on Frontier's part, and the eventual double dip makes it even worse.

As a sidenote, I'm always confused by people being vehemently against hybrids anyway. I'm sorry, but how have you not noticed that this franchise left you behind long ago?

Like them or not, hybrids are a large part of the Jurassic World era of the franchise and has roots even before that in the Jurassic Park era of the franchise. Even discounting things like the Chaos Effect toys, I'd argue they're a natural progression of the story both logically and thematically.

Even in the original book the idea of editing dinosaurs is floated. Dr. Wu pleads for making a "better" version and Dodgson talks about making cute pet versions of dinosaurs that can only eat branded food. Manifestating appearance of another animal is no worse a logical leap than manifestating the ability to change genders from another animal and they certainly fit the themes of playing god and messing with nature.

Plus, the idea that they're somehow less realistic than giant, murderous naked raptors that can figure out concepts like door handles and the venomspitting rattlesnake frilled lizard alien that passes for a dilophosaur from the first installment of the franchise is laughable to me.
 
One thing with there being 6 hybrids that we don't have (Dr Wu trio, the computer screen duo, and the Sino-Spino), it could work to split them into two Hybrid packs, adding a flier and an aquatic to fill them out since it seems that the JW:E2 packs are 4 dinosaurs rather than the 5 of JW:E.

Even in the original book the idea of editing dinosaurs is floated. Dr. Wu pleads for making a "better" version and Dodgson talks about making cute pet versions of dinosaurs that can only eat branded food. Manifestating appearance of another animal is no worse a logical leap than manifestating the ability to change genders from another animal and they certainly fit the themes of playing god and messing with nature.
One idea that I'd suggested relatively early with JW:E was to take the Iterations mentioned along with Wu's suggestions about more controllable dinosaurs to allow some major differences.

Something like the crystal palace Iguanodon and Megalosaurus, or the more "classical" Tyrannosaurus pose with a dragging tail as iterations that could be created, while at the same time, other iterations could be the feathered versions (Such as the raptors from Jurassic Park: Dangerous Games). It could also work to add a modern Spinosaurus and put it in the water...

It could work with the new Variants option...
 
You mean the same dinosaur franchise which has continuously added new hybrids and has recently incorporated Paleozoic and Cenozoic animals to the film canon?

It still is a dinosaur franchise, and like all franchises it has evolved to include new features such as genetic hybrids. And again what’s with the uproar against people who want just a handful of additional hybrids to be added to the game and have a little variety?
The saddest thing is, it really isn't a dinosaur franchise... at least, not originally. The novel was more about carelessly abusing dangerous powers and the unpredictable outcome resulting from such actions... cloning and dinosaurs just paired well with the concept. But then Spielberg turned the story into a couple generic monster movies with dinosaurs and now "dinosaurs chasing people" is apparently the only thing that the franchise is about... to the point where any attempt to expand beyond such a tiny concept, even into areas that fit perfectly into the core narrative about abusing dangerous powers, or make perfect sense like cloning something that isn't one of the various mutant freaks that pass for real dinosaurs in this franchise, is somehow an impure or bad thing by default.
 
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You mean the same dinosaur franchise which has continuously added new hybrids and has recently incorporated Paleozoic and Cenozoic animals to the film canon?

It still is a dinosaur franchise, and like all franchises it has evolved to include new features such as genetic hybrids. And again what’s with the uproar against people who want just a handful of additional hybrids to be added to the game and have a little variety?

I hate that a childs show is called film canon now... But that's another debate.

I just posted my view on the matter. I never use the hybrids in my builds. They just don't have that Jurassic Park feel. One thing was that Spielberg made movie monsters. But now it's movie monsters on steroids. If they add them, no problem. I just don't see the point. :D
 
The saddest thing is, it really isn't a dinosaur franchise... at least, not originally. The novel was more about carelessly abusing dangerous powers and the unpredictable outcome resulting from such actions... cloning and dinosaurs just paired well with the concept. But then Spielberg turned the story into a couple generic monster movies with dinosaurs and now "dinosaurs chasing people" is apparently the only thing that the franchise is about... to the point where any attempt to expand beyond such a tiny concept, even into areas that fit perfectly into the core narrative about abusing dangerous powers, or make perfect sense like cloning something that isn't one of the various mutant freaks that pass for real dinosaurs in this franchise, is somehow an impure or bad thing by default.
JP1, World, and Fallen Kingdom still have strong heavy warnings about bioengineering and cloning, with the hybrid animals being part of that warning as well as an evolution of the desires of several characters from the original novel to do things like makes designer dinosaurs for customers to buy as pets and display pieces and make different versions of the dinosaurs in the park, to say nothing of the dinosaurs already being Frankenstein's monster-level of mashed-together pieces. The spectacle of Indominus rex vs Blue, Rexy, and Mosasaurus or the Indoraptor reenacting scenes from the Alien films doesn't drown that out. Heck, the overwhelming message of the original novel was Crichton's "Science especially genetics bad" mindset, he just happened to choose dinosaurs as the plot point and people love dinosaurs.
 
Yeah, I really want them back. I enjoyed using them. It's really cool to make "natural" dinosaur parks and preserves and all, but the game doesn't have many more options than that and the selection of hybrids we had were a great way to make something different that was still fun and unmistakably Jurassic World. Freakshows, battle arenas, research facilities. We can do those now, but the options are really samey (big indo, small indo and deformed indo) and it's taken the fun out of it.

Plus, Stegoceratops is canon, Spinoraptor is a fan favorite and even the least popular Ankylodocus still has its fans (like Mjmannella up there I really liked it, I thought its dopey nature gave it character especially compared to some of the fairly drab sets of similar dinosaurs we got in the first game).

I'm pretty sure they will return too. Frontier has the assets, they just need some updating which is cheaper than producing new animals, and new people keep showing asking for them and other hybrids. And while this forum and the subreddit may seem like the fanbase is against it, the "backlash" is always from the same 3-4 whiners hijacking it. Hybrids are very popular and bring publicity - fandom activity spikes whenever they show up. E720 was huge.

I'm a little annoyed about it too, because other parts of the franchise (toys, mobile games, TV shows) have successfully continued adding hybrids and Scorpios Rex being added now proves that despite speculation to the contrary by said whiners Frontier has nothing against adding more hybrids. That means clearly Frontier held them back to sell to us again. I thought making sure everybody who bought stuff for JWE1 got to keep it except the people who bought Secrets of Dr Wu was a pretty crappy move on Frontier's part, and the eventual double dip makes it even worse.

As a sidenote, I'm always confused by people being vehemently against hybrids anyway. I'm sorry, but how have you not noticed that this franchise left you behind long ago?

Like them or not, hybrids are a large part of the Jurassic World era of the franchise and has roots even before that in the Jurassic Park era of the franchise. Even discounting things like the Chaos Effect toys, I'd argue they're a natural progression of the story both logically and thematically.

Even in the original book the idea of editing dinosaurs is floated. Dr. Wu pleads for making a "better" version and Dodgson talks about making cute pet versions of dinosaurs that can only eat branded food. Manifestating appearance of another animal is no worse a logical leap than manifestating the ability to change genders from another animal and they certainly fit the themes of playing god and messing with nature.

Plus, the idea that they're somehow less realistic than giant, murderous naked raptors that can figure out concepts like door handles and the venomspitting rattlesnake frilled lizard alien that passes for a dilophosaur from the first installment of the franchise is laughable to me.
Unfortunately, one has to say that even Jurassic Park was far removed from the topic of the books and the criticism of Crichton and exactly what Crichton admonished into the ridiculous and illogical and in Jurassic World was led ad absurdum, and the idea of a ridiculous little monster film was made, next then probably Pacific Rim Monster or Godzillas, because it's cool and feasible and at some point it's just ARK survival as a theme park, a standardization of all themes, and it hardly makes a difference anymore, whether you Star wars, Star trek or Marvel looks almost everywhere the same actors, jokes and directors

But that's what happens when the very type of person Crichton accused for money and profit throws their original ideas out of the window to only make monster movies where purpose is secondary and stupid visual spectacle is the main focus

more, bigger, dumber, because the audience just wants to be entertained....laser guided $10 million dino's are cool, even if a $1 projectile could do it faster and wouldn't have problems with stairs and slick floors...Jurassic Jackass ARK World

As far as I'm concerned, there can be pure hybrid packs, if I have the opportunity to ignore them, because other features that might interest me are not included, but if hybrids are mixed in the packs with "normal" dinos, I will use these packs and Ignore the future of the game and its successors, just like the JW films, which I only did on loan.
 
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Unfortunately, one has to say that even Jurassic Park was far removed from the topic of the books and the criticism of Crichton and exactly what Crichton admonished into the ridiculous and illogical and in Jurassic World was led ad absurdum, and the idea of a ridiculous little monster film was made, next then probably Pacific Rim Monster or Godzillas, because it's cool and feasible and at some point it's just ARK survival as a theme park, a standardization of all themes, and it hardly makes a difference anymore, whether you Star wars, Star trek or Marvel looks almost everywhere the same actors, jokes and directors

But that's what happens when the very type of person Crichton accused for money and profit throws their original ideas out of the window to only make monster movies where purpose is secondary and stupid visual spectacle is the main focus

more, bigger, dumber, because the audience just wants to be entertained....laser guided $10 million dino's are cool, even if a $1 projectile could do it faster and wouldn't have problems with stairs and slick floors...Jurassic Jackass ARK World

As far as I'm concerned, there can be pure hybrid packs, if I have the opportunity to ignore them, because other features that might interest me are not included, but if hybrids are mixed in the packs with "normal" dinos, I will use these packs and Ignore the future of the game and its successors, just like the JW films, which I only did on loan.
The original novel as just as much a "monster fest" as the movies were, the only difference being Crichton had a hundred pages he could fill up with cool science-sounding words to distract you from the Tyrannosaurus that attacked a Jeep with as much gusto and persistence as any movie beast before it would attack something foreign and inedible because there was a small morsel of delicious human in it and the raptors who were just as vicious and bloodthirsty and impossibly smart as they were in the movie. And his disgust and contempt of science tainted a lot of his books, especially in his later years where he would straight-up accuse all scientists of being glory-seeking amoral villains uncaring of anything except fame and fortune. It's silly hating on the hybrids when their concept is rooted firmly in the ideas and fears established by the original novel, and also ignores the fact that ALL the animals in Jurassic are hybrids. None of them are actual dinosaurs, they're chimeras of incomplete dinosaur DNA mixed with whatever species happened to be picked to fill in the gaps, which resulted in things like the spitting cobra frilled lizard Dilophosaurus, theropods with broken wrists, sauropods with misshapen feet, and of course Utahraptor-sized Velociraptors, Atrociraptors, and Pyroraptors with the intelligence of man and the former two having no feathers because they were designed that way to appeal to the public's idea of dinosaurs as giant scaly beasts.
 
especially in his later years where he would straight-up accuse all scientists of being glory-seeking amoral villains uncaring of anything except fame and fortune.

yes thats the Homo rapiens ...:D from Bophal to Johnson & Johnson,and genetic and nanotechnology in daily Food,we all ended as Soylent Green on Day :D
 
The original novel as just as much a "monster fest" as the movies were, the only difference being Crichton had a hundred pages he could fill up with cool science-sounding words to distract you from the Tyrannosaurus that attacked a Jeep with as much gusto and persistence as any movie beast before it would attack something foreign and inedible because there was a small morsel of delicious human in it and the raptors who were just as vicious and bloodthirsty and impossibly smart as they were in the movie. And his disgust and contempt of science tainted a lot of his books, especially in his later years where he would straight-up accuse all scientists of being glory-seeking amoral villains uncaring of anything except fame and fortune. It's silly hating on the hybrids when their concept is rooted firmly in the ideas and fears established by the original novel, and also ignores the fact that ALL the animals in Jurassic are hybrids. None of them are actual dinosaurs, they're chimeras of incomplete dinosaur DNA mixed with whatever species happened to be picked to fill in the gaps, which resulted in things like the spitting cobra frilled lizard Dilophosaurus, theropods with broken wrists, sauropods with misshapen feet, and of course Utahraptor-sized Velociraptors, Atrociraptors, and Pyroraptors with the intelligence of man and the former two having no feathers because they were designed that way to appeal to the public's idea of dinosaurs as giant scaly beasts.
I'd kind of seen the Rex attack as more of something that was due to the Rex being, relatively, bored and getting something new to play with...that it had bite sized snacks inside them was more of a bonus there.

A lot of birds and reptiles also get a lot out of having the various enrichment feeders that are out there,

With the raptors being so smart, we never really see how intelligent the Rex is there, but she does figure out things such as the power being out...

The rex being, at least, monitor lizard smart is very likely there, and the Lost World novel seems to heavily imply that the adult rex on Nublar had been, largely, playing with the tour vehicles...and then came because of the noise and, probably, chase instincts on the road.
 
I'm personally glad they are not there. Alot of people don't want the hybrids anyway. :)
You could just not use them. A lot of fans do like them, and some of us are just completionists, and their exclusion is noticeable. And now that we've got the Scorpius and Parasaurolophus lux, there's no excuse to not include them, hell the Stegoceratops is technically film cannon.
 
You could just not use them. A lot of fans do like them, and some of us are just completionists, and their exclusion is noticeable. And now that we've got the Scorpius and Parasaurolophus lux, there's no excuse to not include them, hell the Stegoceratops is technically film cannon.
I honestly would not have bought the CC DLC if it had included the Spinoceratops. The Scorpius isn't as bad. But I still don't really like it.

The hybrids detract from the real beauty of nature. The two film hybrids are honestly just really bland and boring. There are so many cooler dinosaurs that actually existed. There are so many weird shapes in animals that would be awesome to see on screen. I'm glad we're finally getting to see Therizinosaurus on screen in JWD.
The Indominus rex and Indoraptor don't do anything unique that couldn't have been done with a real dinosaur. Giganotosaurus or a different carcharodontosaurid would have easily replaced Indominus. A Megaraptor would have been a superior replacement for the Indoraptor. Scorpius is similar but perhaps a little more interestingly shaped than the two film hybrids. Stegoceratops doesn't look like anything that can possibly be real. It looks like a cartoon animal. The Spinoraptor was a little better. At least it looked like something that could exist. Ankylodocus is just plain ugly imo. Spinoceratops is probably the worst of all. Sinoceratops was already kind of an ugly design with the ridiculous holes in its frill but then they grabbed that as the base for a hybrid and also removed the nostrils. That thing needs to be put out of its misery.

And the hybrids genuinely do harm to science. There are kids now that come to museums saying their favourite dinosaur is Indominus rex, thinking they're real dinosaurs. Science communication is already hard enough without media confusing things.
 
The hybrids detract from the real beauty of nature.
They can’t detract what this franchise never had in the first place.

The “real beauty of nature” featuring real animals that, for the most part, barely resemble their real life counterparts thanks to the modifications that have been made both in order to make them live in the modern world, and give them desirable features to make them more spectacular and more exploitative to the paying public.

Hybrids are thus a further expansion on this subject in the franchise similar to the pterosaurs, marine reptiles and the recently incorporated Cenozoic and Paleozoic animals.

And the hybrids genuinely do harm to science. There are kids now that come to museums saying their favourite dinosaur is Indominus rex, thinking they're real dinosaurs. Science communication is already hard enough without media confusing things.
1. Is there any proof of this?

2. If kids are saying their favourite dinosaur is Indominus rex, despite the film making it clear multiple times that it’s a man-made and designed hybrid, it’s not the film’s fault.
 
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The hybrids detract from the real beauty of nature.
Jurassic isn't just about the beauty of nature, there's been a steady sci-fi strain of mad science in the franchise. It was toned down in the first film, but there was plenty of talk of genetic modification in the novel. Couple that with the stuff like the Embryonics Lab in JP3 and stuff like Chaos Effect and Scan Command, and the hybrids are no surprise. Honestly they're tame compared to what the old JP4 drafts were proposing. Plus they're relevant, with all the talk of genetic modification nowadays.
 
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