General / Off-Topic Security failures at Jurassic World

[Capt.Hunt]

First off, I know that it's a movie and everything was scripted to cause the disaster. However, as someone who works at a Zoo, and has seen the emergency response in an Dangerous Animal Outside Containment drill (although, I was only peripherally involved in said drill), I saw some serious failures of protocol in the first Jurassic World film.

1. The entire incident could have been prevented if Claire had a land line in the Paddock 11 observation room.
   Claire had to get in her car and drive back toward the control center to get them to ping the I. Rex's tracker. During this delay Owen and the entire crew at the enclosure went in to search and inadvertently allowed the asset to escape. Not to mention that if you watch the scene, Control isn't the first call she makes. Putting ACU on alert is important, but couldn't the control room have done that while they were pinging the I. Rex?
2. There is no way to ping the tracker from the security officer's desk where they checked the infrared.
   No backup for the infrared sensors is available at the enclosure.
3. Later, when ACU goes out to recapture the asset, they are equipped with non-lethals designed for smaller animals.
   I don't really have a problem with them carrying non-lethals, although our zoo always responds with both lethal and non-lethal equipped shooters, just in case. My problem here is that they are equipped with shock prods, taser guns and net guns designed to incapacitate smaller animals, that clearly have no effect on the I. Rex. They have nothing capable of taking down something as large as the I.Rex, despite knowing that they were going after a large theropod. What happened to the Lindstradt rifles from Lost World? Tembo was able to incapacitate the bull T. Rex with veterinary tranqs. And the only backup for the non-lethals is one guy with a combat shotgun.
4. Why are there road flares in the first aid kit in the Souvenir stand?
   What could they possibly be used for? It's almost as if they were placed there in case someone had to lure the T. Rex.

 

[CheckTheVendingMachines]

1. This is brought up in the HISHE video, but Claire doesn’t even need to leave the paddock to call Control? Another thing HISHE brought up was shock trackers for the aviary creatures, I don’t know if that’s true or not.
2. True
3. True
4. This one is kind of funny, a flare could be useful to signal for a medical helicopter I guess. I looked up some real first aid kits but none of them mentioned flares.

 

[Capt.Hunt]

Land line aside, control is able to directly radio the security guard once they realized that the I. Rex hadn't escaped containment, it stands to reason that Claire should have at least been able to radio the control room.

Also, no one has noticed that the Ankys have broken into the restricted zone around the old visitor center? despite it being in gyrosphere valley? You'd think that they'd want to prevent people from doing exactly what the boys did and getting in trouble.

 

[Alexraptor]

Honestly the Indominus should not have even been able to escape so easily in the first place, the design of the enclosure was just horribly flawed with just a single gate separating it from the outside world.
Even IRL many animal enclosures have dual gates to ensure they cannot escape when people enter and leave the enclosure.

 

[paleostudent]

Its a movie dude dont even try that because you will loose.......in reality they would have shooted the indominus faster then it can say help.

 

[Alexraptor]

Its a movie dude dont even try that because you will loose.......in reality they would have shooted the indominus faster then it can say help.

No kidding! I'm still stumped at how they could miss with a g minigun!

 

[paleostudent]

No kidding! I'm still stumped at how they could miss with a g minigun!

As is aid because it s a movie lol its not hard to understand.......its called plotrarmor. You could kill it with one bullet from any gun into the head(brain)which should be failry large since its the most intelligent monster wahtever lol.

 

[Winterwalker]

No kidding! I'm still stumped at how they could miss with a g minigun!

Obviously trained by the Empire, to be stormtroopers!

I think Owen was partly at fault and the Indominus keeper downright stupid. Owen might not have known what the dinosaur was exactly but had seen the scratches on the wall and must have some idea on size and knew had killed a sibling. Going into the pen without finding out where Indominus was first? Bit silly! (Maybe check for signs of escape, outside, while Claire finds the tracking device?) Even if it's out you stand better chance in non enclosed space. Owen 'panicked' or at least impulsive and not treating a dino he doesn't know - or security - with care. He knows enough, that Indominus does not know what she is.

By going for the big door the keeper (who could have told Owen how nasty Indominus is) .. well, obviously your fired. Goes into enclosure looking for dinosaur housed there but not sure where it is ... finds dinosaur, in it's enclosure and is surprised??? Get back to the enclosure control room (fast) and put the kettle on! (At least he was clever enough to bring the cleaning guy, giving Indominus something to chew on while getting out .. ie. you don't always need to be a fast runner, just make sure you can run faster than the other guy!)

 

[paleostudent]

Obviously trained by the Empire, to be stormtroopers!

I think Owen was partly at fault and the Indominus keeper downright stupid. Owen might not have known what the dinosaur was exactly but had seen the scratches on the wall and must have some idea on size and knew had killed a sibling. Going into the pen without finding out where Indominus was first? Bit silly! (Maybe check for signs of escape, outside, while Claire finds the tracking device?) Even if it's out you stand better chance in non enclosed space. Owen 'panicked' or at least impulsive and not treating a dino he doesn't know - or security - with care. He knows enough, that Indominus does not know what she is.

By going for the big door the keeper (who could have told Owen how nasty Indominus is) .. well, obviously your fired. Goes into enclosure looking for dinosaur housed there but not sure where it is ... finds dinosaur, in it's enclosure and is surprised??? Get back to the enclosure control room (fast) and put the kettle on! (At least he was clever enough to bring the cleaning guy, giving Indominus something to chew on while getting out .. ie. you don't always need to be a fast runner, just make sure you can run faster than the other guy!)

The fact they entered the enclosure, the fact henry wu doent told his cooworkes how dangerous trhe animal is.well the list is endless ......its simplistic made for enetrtainment if you would remove the dinosaurs you would have nothing. since the actors are not the best either.

 

[Capt.Hunt]

Obviously trained by the Empire, to be stormtroopers!

I think Owen was partly at fault and the Indominus keeper downright stupid. Owen might not have known what the dinosaur was exactly but had seen the scratches on the wall and must have some idea on size and knew had killed a sibling. Going into the pen without finding out where Indominus was first? Bit silly! (Maybe check for signs of escape, outside, while Claire finds the tracking device?) Even if it's out you stand better chance in non enclosed space. Owen 'panicked' or at least impulsive and not treating a dino he doesn't know - or security - with care. He knows enough, that Indominus does not know what she is.

By going for the big door the keeper (who could have told Owen how nasty Indominus is) .. well, obviously your fired. Goes into enclosure looking for dinosaur housed there but not sure where it is ... finds dinosaur, in it's enclosure and is surprised??? Get back to the enclosure control room (fast) and put the kettle on! (At least he was clever enough to bring the cleaning guy, giving Indominus something to chew on while getting out .. ie. you don't always need to be a fast runner, just make sure you can run faster than the other guy!)

if you pay close attention to the scene, they walked through the enclosure after entering it. The I.Rex came up behind them, cut them off from the door they used to enter the enclosure and then drove them toward the big door, so I don't really blame him for that. It's a failure of enclosure design rather then the fault of the guard.

 

[Winterwalker]

if you pay close attention to the scene, they walked through the enclosure after entering it. The I.Rex came up behind them, cut them off from the door they used to enter the enclosure and then drove them toward the big door, so I don't really blame him for that. It's a failure of enclosure design rather then the fault of the guard.

It's happened to experienced people too, Muldoon .. and Ajay? Owen's at least not somewhere ahead of them in field experience, is a trainer, used to being hands on. Is going to help and does at least and this time, survive! His trick with the fuel line to put the animal off his scent? Good trick! Without it, toast imo, Indominus sniffed around and has one bite type teeth that you get your best look at here.

 

[Capt.Hunt]

a lockout chamber outside the big doors would probably have stopped her from escaping, but it would probably trapped Owen and the security guard in convenient biting range, since they wouldn't have been able to open the outer door without letting I.Rex out. Another potential solution would have been a second person sized door on that side of the enclosure, perhaps inset in the big gate.

As is aid because it s a movie lol its not hard to understand.......its called plotrarmor. You could kill it with one bullet from any gun into the head(brain)which should be failry large since its the most intelligent monster wahtever lol.

I already said I know it's a movie and that everything was scripted for the worst possible scenario, that's besides the point. These security failures just stuck out at me as huge plot holes.

IIRC, the ACU guy with the shotgun does manage to score some hits, but it doesn't penetrate. The minigun is a problem in itself, they were shooting it from an unfamiliar platform at a moving target, and their walking fire actually drove the I. Rex into the aviary. It probably wasn't Owen's best idea.

 

[Digitalfiend]

Find My Dino

1. The entire incident could have been prevented if Claire had a land line in the Paddock 11 observation room.
   Claire had to get in her car and drive back toward the control center to get them to ping the I. Rex's tracker. During this delay Owen and the entire crew at the enclosure went in to search and inadvertently allowed the asset to escape. Not to mention that if you watch the scene, Control isn't the first call she makes. Putting ACU on alert is important, but couldn't the control room have done that while they were pinging the I. Rex?

This one bothered me as well. For a company that can create dinosaurs and clearly has access to high-end computer technology, you'd think that all security and administrative personnel would have access to asset tracking software on their phones (e.g. Find My Dino [big grin]). Every building would likely be connected to the private island network WAN and personnel could access whatever network services they needed, including asset tracking, with their company issued phones/devices; i.e. all Claire or the paddock guard would have had to do is use an app to "ping" the I. Rex's tracker.

Still a fun movie though.

 

[nickweb]

One word: AIRLOCKS!!!

For crying out loud, given all the previously mentioned mistakes they made in the operation of the park... surely airlocks would resolve a lot of the issues? Owen has one in the raptor pen... and for pity's sake they are in use in real world situations with birds to... you know... stop them escaping!

 

[Alphacenturion]

This is something I did question. Also why did they not build the paddock before they put the dinosaur into it. Also I would of made it a double walled electrified enclosure with a dedicated ACU and ranger teams and backup generator as well as put a containment fence around the area in case she escaped which is what I did with my I-rex enclosure in JWE. There are questions about the I-rex itself. Assuming you could recreate dinosaurs could an animal with that much genetic variety be viable. Also how did she know there were infra-red camera's or was it simply a fluke that when she camouflaged it also masked her heat signature which in itself would of been difficult with such a large animal. Also the level of deception that she employs by clawing her enclosure is on par with apes if not humans as it requires a conscious awareness that she is being held prisoner and making it look like she climbed out would make them open the doors. Of course these blunders are deliberate for two reasons 1. without them the I-rex was unlikely to escape and 2. It shows human arrogance when it come to nature and how we think we are in control of it which is the theme throughout the film.

 

[GonerMcGoner]

Are we really discussing flawed security measures taken by this character?

 

[Capt.Hunt]

This one bothered me as well. For a company that can create dinosaurs and clearly has access to high-end computer technology, you'd think that all security and administrative personnel would have access to asset tracking software on their phones (e.g. Find My Dino [big grin]). Every building would likely be connected to the private island network WAN and personnel could access whatever network services they needed, including asset tracking, with their company issued phones/devices; i.e. all Claire or the paddock guard would have had to do is use an app to "ping" the I. Rex's tracker.

Still a fun movie though.

Response has spoilers for Fallen Kingdom:

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They apparently do have such a system in place.

This is something I did question. Also why did they not build the paddock before they put the dinosaur into it. Also I would of made it a double walled electrified enclosure with a dedicated ACU and ranger teams and backup generator as well as put a containment fence around the area in case she escaped which is what I did with my I-rex enclosure in JWE. There are questions about the I-rex itself. Assuming you could recreate dinosaurs could an animal with that much genetic variety be viable. Also how did she know there were infra-red camera's or was it simply a fluke that when she camouflaged it also masked her heat signature which in itself would of been difficult with such a large animal. Also the level of deception that she employs by clawing her enclosure is on par with apes if not humans as it requires a conscious awareness that she is being held prisoner and making it look like she climbed out would make them open the doors. Of course these blunders are deliberate for two reasons 1. without them the I-rex was unlikely to escape and 2. It shows human arrogance when it come to nature and how we think we are in control of it which is the theme throughout the film.

Claire told Masrani that they had to make the walls bigger because the animal was bigger then expected.