Sense, Sensibility and Nonsense: A Sensitive Inquiry About Race and E:D Idea of the Future

Wouldn't everyone be kind of beige with dark hair? Well, most people anyway. Different races developed over a long time because of isolation, but that's becoming much less of a thing, and so far in the future I'd presume a lot of racial distinction would have been 'bred' out (for want of a better term). It's also not nearly enough time to create new races due to planetary isolation either.

I'm just speculating, I don't really know anything about this stuff, but I'd always assumed people will homogenise over the centuries as long as no sort of cataclysm creates more racial isolation to stop the homogenisation.

Interesting subject.
 
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Today, you'd be weird not to. But in 2050? it might be kind of creepy, unless we get progenitor cells ;) Which could actually happen.

Yeah, where is my youth pill that will make me not look creepy if I mac on women in their 20's? ;-)

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A very interesting and thought provoking thread.
My take on it, by 3301 we'll have the scientific know-how to be any shade of the visual spectrum we want to be for any given day of the week.

Or if you're aligned with the Alliance. Beige ;)

Putting my future cap on, I can see the human race intermingle to such a point that we'll all become fantastically gorgeous with a glowing cinnamon complexion.

Unless of course Ugly is some heretofore undiscovered evolutionary adaptation (just as say, sickle cell anemia renders you immune to malaria). It would be kind of a strange one though.
 
I agree with those that say, it is just a game, get over yourself. Now if the character generator for Horizons had white, Asian, Indian and not black, then complain!
I also agree with the one poster that commented that equality of opportunity is what matters. This crap about color equality, status equality, money equality is useless drivel by the lazy and the handout generation. You want more money, earn it. You want more status, earn it. Someone says their color is better than your, get off your lazy backside and prove them wrong.
 
I agree with those that say, it is just a game, get over yourself. Now if the character generator for Horizons had white, Asian, Indian and not black, then complain!
I also agree with the one poster that commented that equality of opportunity is what matters. This crap about color equality, status equality, money equality is useless drivel by the lazy and the handout generation. You want more money, earn it. You want more status, earn it. Someone says their color is better than your, get off your lazy backside and prove them wrong.

I absolutely could not disagree with you more. You're glossing over literally a few hundred years of officially-sanctioned oppression and discrimination (yeah, even after outright slavery was abolished in "the First World"--think Jim Crow, think "redlining" which kept black buyers with money in hand from buying property and thus building family wealth over multiple generations until it was outlawed in the 1960s). And people concerned about the literally OBSCENE level of inequality of wealth and income in supposedly civilized countries are hardly dismissable as being "lazy and of the handout generation." That kind of thinking can kindly take a long walk... you know the rest.
 
I think we are being discriminatory by expecting the PP leaders to look like descendants from Humans from Earth, when the novels have an even wider variety of traits that have been developed from adaption to alien flora and fauna.

No Golden skinned people from Bedaho
No one with any other adaptive traits
 
The last few posts are getting interesting...
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Please let the artist and game devs design their characters... Stop importing potentional drama into our videogame.

The OP makes a good point, though, it's not just drama. Like it or not, the color of our skin has a lot to do with people's expectations of us. It's an unspoken statement of common experiences, though those experiences vary quite a bit by geography. Two black people from the United States will very likely have an overlapping set of experiences that a black person and a white person from the United States will not have (though, both being from the US will have a lot of overlapping experiences).

These are not value statements, it's just how life is. The OP is just asking the game to reflect a little bit of himself and that is actually high praise of this game, it means he's invested and really cares about this community.

I hope that there are more dark skinned Powers. I'd also like to see some blending and projection of how the human phenotype will change as a consequence of prolonged space exposure, high gravity and low gravity worlds. I expect there'll be groups of people that are crazy strong from high gravity worlds and some are really tall from low gravity worlds. Maybe even a race of space dwellers that are intolerant of gravity!
 
The OP makes a good point, though, it's not just drama. Like it or not, the color of our skin has a lot to do with people's expectations of us. It's an unspoken statement of common experiences, though those experiences vary quite a bit by geography. Two black people from the United States will very likely have an overlapping set of experiences that a black person and a white person from the United States will not have (though, both being from the US will have a lot of overlapping experiences).

These are not value statements, it's just how life is. The OP is just asking the game to reflect a little bit of himself and that is actually high praise of this game, it means he's invested and really cares about this community.

I hope that there are more dark skinned Powers. I'd also like to see some blending and projection of how the human phenotype will change as a consequence of prolonged space exposure, high gravity and low gravity worlds. I expect there'll be groups of people that are crazy strong from high gravity worlds and some are really tall from low gravity worlds. Maybe even a race of space dwellers that are intolerant of gravity!

Great post, thanks. I agree that "real-world" gravitational and other differences could interestingly elicit different human body and skin types.

Additionally, I have found it interesting and of note to see how many people refer to the (and this is simplifying) notion of "Didn't someone say we'll all be beige someday?" engagement of the original question. I wonder, how many folks who thought that when this exploration was raised were thinking that when the PP Powers were revealed? That is, was there any sense of that "we'll all be beige in the end" submission then, or just now? My guess is probably that that sensibility emerged now, reflecting the normative nature, in many cases, of white skin and white features. That is, I don't think I heard or saw voices submitting "Hey, aren't we all beige in the future? What's up with the Archon, Aisling and Arissa, with Zemina and Edmund?"

Then again, maybe its just that this question is only being raised generally now in any case, and that, had it been raised then as a question, it might have been received similarly. My own experience with these dynamics, both at home (USA) and abroad (UK, Japan, Korea, France) says probably not, though.

I would love to have a conversation with FD about this; I wonder if they feel its an unnecessary hot potato, or if they have a plan...?
 
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In terms of creating a working narrative for the Elite galaxy, I’m not sure how it is possible to be arguing for greater diversity in-game, while at the same time claiming there to be real structures of oppression in our own society today. That such problems exist/persist can be debated in depth, and is a worthwhile and interesting discussion to have if done in the right spirit. However, if they are such big problems today, why would it be any different in the future? Every sign from the galaxy is that the problems in our societies in the 21st century are much worse with the passage of another thousand years: Brutal corporatism, imperialism, a return to slavery, rampant piracy…


This is not Elite:Utopia. I don’t feel that our ideas of what an ideal future galactic ‘society’ would be like should be the overriding factor in crafting the narrative of Elite.
 
... I have found it interesting and of note to see how many people refer to the (and this is simplifying) notion of "Didn't someone say we'll all be beige someday?" engagement of the original question...

Concerning this point, specifically, I never really understood how this idea became prevalent. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of evolutionary biology and a certain naivete about human nature:

The first: evolution occurs more quickly in the more isolated population, thus separating populations over light years would create extremely isolated populations (assuming that space travel is restricted to a minute, approaching trivial, percentage of the population) and many of these populations would likely be highly impacted by founders effect. Then you have to factor in selective forces (amount of gravity, levels of radiation, brightness of system star(s), to name a few), though these effects would be minor at this point in humanities growth (1300 years isn't that long for biology); founder's effect on population genetics would be the dominant force.

The implication then would be who made it into space early on? I don't think that humanities tendency to self-segregate (like is drawn to like: birds of a feather...) would have abated in a mere 1000 years. As such, it would be expected that there would persist the striking variety we see in humanity currently and likely that variety would only be increasing, not decreasing.

To the second point: If you want to see how stubborn human nature is in the face of change, read ancient manuscripts: when addressing human relations, they uniformly sound like any modern commentary. To paraphrase Ecclesiastes: There's nothing new under the sun! and here's some proof: http://laughingsquid.com/an-ancient...nt-inscribed-on-a-clay-tablet-around-1750-bc/

In other words, for everyone to be beige, we have to mingle, which is something we don't do as much as we'd like to think.
 
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There's some conversation about the space in which our own (healthy, I think) conversation is residing in the wider gamespace. An example: http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/3/8719389/colorblind-on-witcher-3-rust-and-gamings-race-problem

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Another powerful submission:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/16/gaming-while-black-casual-racism-to-cautious-optimism/

A quote from this one:

Auriea Harvey said that she sees the industry moving forward in a positive way, in terms of diversity. Last year, Harvey gave the keynote address at IndieCade and mentioned that she believed she was the first black person, especially the first black woman, to give a keynote at any gaming conference.

"I think that everyone's sick of yelling at each other now," Harvey said. She continued, "Let's just keep going. I think that everybody wants to keep going. I don't see the industry as a whole sitting there, sticking to their guns, saying, 'We did this on purpose. This is how it's always going to be.' I think that everyone is doing their best right now. We can hope for a lot more, but at the same time, I am cautiously optimistic."


That's me. :) Let's just keep going. :)
 
Not to diminish the sentimental behind the OP and it's responses, but as I recall Elite lore suggests that there are many variants to the human physiology at the game point of time. (I'm thinking of genetic, cybernetic or grafted "enhancements" to the human condition, whether they manifest in different skin tones or not.)

There is plenty of scope for variety in the visual representations we are given.
 
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