Newcomer / Intro Ship Destroyed due to spontaneous "Criminal Activity" | Rage-Quit

[Maggie_Oz]

The sysyem encountered an unusual situation and didn't respond to it in a specific manner.
I suppose one of the things in ED that it is difficult to plan for all the off the shelf stuff people will do.
The end result is though you do know what happened and why, so all's well that ends well?

 

[SportyScribe]

OP here.

I appreciate all the experiences every is sharing!

To all those that drop in to say in so many words "get gud" and think that passes as advice; you're not helping. Share an anecdote, a rumor, or move on. Please don't be toxic.

I'm getting the hang of it bit by bit. having fun. I think I may remove the docking computer module, malybe get some more Cargo space. But I must say I've just now experienced another instance of lack of detailed info.

Fail a Mission and I've got no clue why the mission was failed!

Okay I'm sourcing 4 units of basic medicine, already delivered two, when I dropped off 6 Animal Monitors on the last run. I'm flying around looking for the other two, as i'm going to contact to request docking permission I see the hard to miss bright red FAILED stamp on the mission in the Transactions menu. I docked[manually; thnx trolls for making me mention this] before investigating, because I've learned that lesson once this week already.

Transaction window has no explanation.

Got a message from the Mission provider Subject: Mission Contract Rescinded. From Kayleigh Valdez. Body: BLANK
Not showing what crime was committed felt like an F You. This one feels just Lazy.

Come to find out I was promoted to Peddler, and I am no longer welcome in the starter systems, so they pulled my district permit. Okay that's perfectly reasonable, bigger and better systems on the horizon, sounds like I won't need that mission anyway.

However my sentiment still stands. Why the goose chase? The mission is designed appropriately to get rescinded when the district permit is pulled, and furthermore to send a message. But its blank. My ship is the only hand I have with which to reach out and interact with the galaxy, why does it keep leaving me in the dark?

This might be a bit harsh of a statement coming from a noobie to a bunch of 100-1000hr+ players. But I didn't know I was buying an early access game, wait lemme just... Well I just read that its been out 5 years now .

How many more continuity errors, and incomplete features are there? And why do you put up with them? I'd love to hear from you all.


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A couple of thoughts, if I may.
I played the game when it first came out in 2014-2015 before taking a 5 year gap. In terms of bugs, early on in the game I lost a ship when a station decided to blow it up as I was in the Station Services upgrading it, and had to submit a ticket to get a refund as it was most definitely a bug. I had docked, I had just sold a bunch of rares and was treating myself when I heard gunfire, and as I looked up, my ship went boom and I was at the rebuy... and boy was I confused! I submitted a ticket as an issue and got a generous comp from the devs.

Fast forward to this round of playing, when I lost my Cobra about 3 days in to an NPC I was surprised to see in the details of my poor lost pixels a notice of how to report an issue to Frontier. Did NOT see that when I lost the AspX the other day. More on that later.

Coming back last month I was doing the same as you, except I was bouncing around the starter system for a good while doing missions. I was promoted a couple of times while in the starter systems, and only lost my permit when I finally decided to leave the area. So just getting promoted is not enough to cost you your permit... you have to leave the area but there is actually a mission for that.

Learn to use resources... and there are many,
This forum
Inara
EDDB.IO to name but three I regularly use.

Google anything and everything and look at tutorials. There are huge amounts of tutorials on YouTube and they have helped me a lot.

FWIW, 6 years ago I was asking a noob question on either a forum or an early facebook group and ran up against a moody Beta Backer. I believe I was asking about the modules and also docking, and boy oh boy did he go off on one. Luckily others were a little more helpful, but in truth I find it helps to couch yourself questions along the lines of what you have tried rather than believing immediately that the game is at fault. It may well be a glitch but at this stage of your game time you are on a steep learning curve. Yeah it stung me to be told by some old muppet (and I am a veteran of the original ‘84 version so no spring chicken myself) to get gone and learn by myself... but I taught myself how to dock by doing it in the tutorial with a YT video showing me how to do it, and I found a few blogs that explained modules and power management, fire groups etc. I sure as hell never asked THAT guy for info but I also learned to put any questions to more experienced players in terms of what I had tried, what had gone wrong and what had I missed.

I have asked no end of stupid questions since I have come back, and many of the people who have replied to you have very patiently responded with helpful advice... so if people are taking the time to try and help, don’t assume they are trolling you, but also accept that perhaps you might have done something wrong (eg I have lost a Cobra and a Asp after interdictions, mainly due to wrestling with learning SC Assist (didn’t have that before) and generally fumbling. Lack of fumbling and panic comes with experience...and some help from forum members to give myself the best chance of learning from that.

It might not sound great to be told “there is absolutely no reason to have lost either of those ships” but from that I learned pip management, and got used to how I have my throttle speeds bound on the joystick and keypad and am far more alert to which to cut to zero if I have to submit, etc. I was basically told to “git gud”... so I did. Because to be absolutely honest with you... there are areas I do need to improve. So just accept that and do it.

May I also recommend joining the Discord Server advertised at the top of the forum - again the more experienced commanders there have been extremely helpful.

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

I'm getting the hang of it bit by bit. having fun. I think I may remove the docking computer module, maybe get some more Cargo space. But I must say I've just now experienced another instance of lack of detailed info.

This right here is the important thing that tells me you will eventually master it. You stumble upon things that don't make sense at first, figure it out and carry on. You will come across situations like time and time again, until you got the hang of it all. The game isn't very helpful at all, but the community is. There's a reason why so many excellent third party websites and tools have been created that make the everyday life in ED less painful. And this community is extraordinary in how many 3rd party content creators have stuck with the game and are still continuously updating their websites and tools for 5 years now. Patience and perseverance, that is the key.

 

[F4fred]

I am aware of why the mission was failed, I reiterate where I acknowledged this below your comment above. It also mentions how I believe its perfectly reasonable that the mission was rescinded. I go on to give comments on the user interface, or lack thereof. In that I had to investigate a completely separate and seemingly unrelated system message about a district permit (also something that, at this point I'd never heard of) where I had to look up in the pilots manual what it even was. I agree there was no brain fart, but my opinion is that the user interface (the way that the galaxy interfaces with me, the pilot) could use some polishing, in that the game sent me a story headline, and I had to be the investigative reporter, and follow breadcrumbs to figure out why. The criticism is that the game sent me system message with no body, which to me; always has and always will look like a program bug.

But, you popped in, offering no constructive thoughts, having you yourself deemed that sentence to be about you, you defined your own comment as "git gud". You return to defend your unhelpful comment calling it constructive, ignoring whichever portions of my comment you need to, to support your rhetoric. I understand that you clearly have a deep emotional connection to the game. That's great! It's an awesome game! I'm not trashing it. I have some criticisms sure, but doesn't everyone? If your reasoning for being so combative to is along the "who does this guy think he is" line. Then well, I read the forum rules, and I don't think you're here for the right reasons. If you've got some other reason for ignoring the entire second half of my last comment to come back and insult my intelligence, keep it to yourself.

All I am looking is for constructive discussion about Elite Dangerous, have you heard of it?!

I am with the OP on this one. Did much the same thing, moved out of the starter area to get something and then couldn’t get back in, with no explanation as to what happened. Had to figure it out myself. There are various little things you have to discover by yourself as time goes on. Like cargo delivery missions, when you don’t know you have to click the button on the bottom of the screen, before exiting to actually load the cargo into the hold, because you think when are you are clicking on the top slider and the number of items in storage is going down that means it is being loaded. Generally though, for me, minor annoyances. What I have got from playing the game far outweighs the minor frustrations.

 

[Para Handy]

Happily I have a way of this thread never being visible to me ever again - shame there isn't an "Ignore Thread" feature, although the other ignore is more appropriate in this case anyway.

 

[SportyScribe]

I also suspect that having “Rage Quit” in the title is also going to earn a little scepticism from the general community ...

 

[DeeDubYuh]

I also suspect that having “Rage Quit” in the title is also going to earn a little scepticism from the general community ...

I am seeing that. I suppose the definition has changed. Used to be like when playing mortal combat with your friends/brothers/cousins. Rage Quit and toss(throw) the controller to(at) the next guy. But always back at it an hour later.

 

[the100thmonkey]

There have been a great many posts made over the years by salty players who wish to explain to the community just why they are leaving the game. They almost universally devolve into bickering and trolling. While they generate a lot of posts, they are almost never constructive and are generally frowned upon.

Be glad you didn't put "open letter" in your thread title! Para might have hunted you down and killed you!

 

[Mimix]

 

[Mimix]

On a more serious note your should learn from your mistakes. If someone would rage quit every time something bad happened to them they would be rage quitting very often. I remember making very silly mistakes when I first started.

 

[Iskariot]

Ive been playing for just about 2 hours now. Taking my time getting to know all the IU, hotkeys, etc. Liking the game so far but I just experienced a pretty serious buzzkill tbh.

I'm running a few random items from Matet to Dromi, I pull into the system, reorient to Mawson Dock, disengage the Friendship Drive, come up within 7.5, throttle down, hit 1, contacts, request docking (t-10:00), add a little throttle, autopilot takes over.

Ship flys over, orienting with the dock, comes to a halt. "Waiting in queue" (~t-9:20)

I'm looking around in the contacts interface, scan a ship, look at whats was scanned, exit. look back at the AP "Waiting in queue" ~t-6:30

Continue reviewing the scan and decide to go over to chat, thinking about messaging the pilot I scanned // At this point I realized I may have breached etiquette with an unprompted scan. //

Looking at the chat I notice that the opacity is so low I cannot read the CMDR's names at all. That just wont do!

Exit the chat, check the AP "Waiting in queue" ~t-2:30. Curious, I bump the throttle again. AP takes over once more does a big circle only to stop again to sit stationary in about the same spot it was. // "Okay maybe the station is busy." // "Waiting in queue" ~t-2:10.

ESC, go over to graphics looking for the chat opacity setting (still haven't found that yet) while I'm looking for it I get pulled out of the settings window to this.
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Your ship is gone.
You are a criminal.
You have been incarcerated.
You are now labelled as an undesirable.


I have done a bit of research in the forum before posting this, I am assuming that the queue expired while I was inside, prompting me to be attacked by security for unauthorized docking? // But I wouldnt know, as apparently, Elite Dangerous takes place in a dystopian society where you can be shot out of the sky, locked up, fined, and outcast from society, without ever being told what law you broke. "Trust us you broke it" "Because we said you did" //

I suppose my question, summed up, is: Really?!

I not really too upset about dying, I get that realistically nothing has changed for me gameplay wise
// I mean it would have been nice to actually have the opportunity to immerse in the game, build some sort of fondness for whatever reputation I decided my CMDR to have. Despite agreeing fully with the concept "it's just a game" that sense of accomplishment (i.e having not died before playing for X Hours, or earning X credits) is part of the experience I enjoy //

What burns me is that huuge Gaping continuity hole in the game. I cannot look up my own criminal history? to find out what caused my ship to get destroyed? so that i can avoid it ever happening again... only session log entries that say "committed crime" and "Ship lost" with no details. looking to what the community has to say its possible the docking timer expired, but... to be shot down for trespassing, without a comm signal, not any iota of a warning. I fully understand that elite dangerous does not hold your hand. I've had my eye on this game for some time, watching streamers play it, reading lengthy articles about the Fuel Rats( good chaps, them.) However; sadly, at the moment my attitude is just that I should uninstall and abandon this in the steam library graveyard, all because the docking computer autopilot is garbage, and killed all enthusiasm I have. I hope the bad taste this has left doesn't stick around too long I really wanted to play this game.

If you've got any ideas why this has happened, or have a similar experience to share; I'd like to hear from ya.

You might have been found guilty of a thought crime...

But I agree.. It would be awesome if I could see my criminal record. It is one of those simple, but fun features that definitely should be in the game.

Don't give in to your anger. Although the game has many shortcomings, it also has a lot to offer, and it is the only spacesim of its kind, with a 1:1 simulated galaxy.