He probably plays Open and Solo, at his choice; He's simply saying he'll be playing Solo in PP, and I don't blame him. Good decision.
Should have just combat logged.
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He probably plays Open and Solo, at his choice; He's simply saying he'll be playing Solo in PP, and I don't blame him. Good decision.
don't you realize the deep contradiction here?
funny, i got always the same uncanny feeling whenever someone decides to start championing his ... moral ethics, did you call it?
Perhaps this will prove a point:
[video=youtube;LF0wa0W13yw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0wa0W13yw[/video]
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If you worry about honour, you've already lost the fight
[video=youtube;LF0wa0W13yw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0wa0W13yw[/video]
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If you worry about honour, you've already lost the fight
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I have never seen an episode of got, but this was perfect.
Everyone has the ability to scan the other ship to see what modules it has. And everyone has the ability to type something. Opening fire without any kind of warning is kind of cowardly if you ask me
While you scan me and decide what to do I'll already be chewing into your hull.
There shouldn't be any difference between e-honour and plain old honour. There's a concept called sportsmanship that everybody learns as a kid. Some people agree with it, and some secretly hate it and deep down want to abuse others, whine like babies when they lose, and cheat and pick on the weak in order to win or get thrills. Even beyond sports, it's a lesson on self control and being a "clean" adult person. Online, these people who hate it get to do what they want because nobody knows and their coach and friends aren't watching.
Ok so maybe I overreacted and didn't read the whole OP before responding reactively based on previous greifer experiences of my own, but I definitely wanted to comment on that statement of yours.
If this guy had just disabled him and opened up some kind of dialogue, then I wouldn't even be here. He just interdicted opened fire and killed. Maybe cowardly was a bit strong, but it's just not sportsmanly, it's the kind of thing that if you did on the pitch, the crowd would boo you. And if yo. I never said people who shoot first and talk later, maybe that's how it came across, but I meant people who shoot and never talk. Especially those that shoot those much weaker than themselves for no gain at all. I thought this was a case of that, and I still think it is.
Not sure what loadout the OP had, but I just assume that if he is complaining it must be because he had no combat build at all. If he did have a combat build, was flying through hostile territory, and got interdicted by fair game and lost, then I agree - nothing wrong going on here. He did say that he initiated a dialogue and didn't run or deploy hps so you can't say "oh it's really important for interdictors to not waste any seconds before opening fire". It's not like he was buying time for anything
I still strongly feel the interdictor should have said something. It's really easy to set up some autotext. It's really quite creepy to go and start a fight with someone without saying anything at all.
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Just because he did not roleplay does not make him evil. In fact, the game is supposed to be a sandbox (a very weak one anyway) so he can do whatever he wants. It's brabens fault that the crime system is so weak in this game, not the person who attacked you.
Also, lol at powerplay in solo - shows you how bad the galactic conquest of power play really is - the best way to win is to grind defenseless trading ships in solo and voila - next win your team wins! exciting
Someone just discovered PKs always pick the easy targets.
This game has pvp flagging it's called "playing in open."
it it even has a double down flagging called "pledging to a power."
griefing is like suicide ram attacking sidewinders in the noob systems, you're literally losing money just to tick them off.
it it even has a double down flagging called "pledging to a power."
griefing is like suicide ram attacking sidewinders in the noob systems, you're literally losing money just to tick them off.
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OP was in a Clipper killed by a Clipper. If i am travelling around in hostile space in my vulture a Clipper stays a Clipper. I don't know if he is shooting people who are trying to undermine or if he is fortifying the current system. But in both cases you are hostile to each other and both want to hinder the other in his actions. That is what happened, no silly PK'ing or griefing.
You misunderstand my point. Indeed there should be no difference between 'honour' in a game and real life, but people's concept of what constitutes honourable behaviour in a game does not tally with what is generally regarded as 'sporting behaviour' in the real world. Your sporting analogy simply doesn't hold up. Nobody expects a rugby player to engage in niceties with an opponent after a bone crunching tackle even if the tackled player is much weaker than the one doing the tackling, as long as that tackle is within the rules of the game. They do, however, expect them to abide by those rules and to shake hands at the end of the match. Now, 'shaking hands' in the context of Elite is tricky since the losing player is no longer in the vicinity which makes communication difficult.
When I say that people's concept of 'e-honour' amuses me it is specifically because it tends very often to be based on absurd, arbitrary and very subjective ideas. Take pirating as an example; many people seem to believe that pirates should engage in some kind of flowery Jack Sparrowesque dialogue or they are 'not a real pirate'. This is nonsense. Similarly, believing that if you are interdicted and open a dialogue it should somehow mean that your opponent cuts you slack, regardless of their intentions, is an attempt to impose personal rules above and beyond the ruleset of the game itself. The interdictor in this case was playing the game and did nothing dishonourable. If anything, the only dishonourable action was coming to the forums to rant about losing a ship.
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Welcome to the Elite Forums?
I'm guessing you must have just arrived... �� ✌��
Welcome to the Elite Forums?
I'm guessing you must have just arrived... �� ✌��
One might say the same of you, given that you felt the need to post about losing a ship. It's something that I have become inured to since beta.
One might say the same of you, given that you felt the need to post about losing a ship. It's something that I have become inured to since beta.
Lol, that was too easy...
I can only apologise for my shocking lapse in forum based e-honour.
This is rubbish. Playing in Open doesn't mean flagging yourself up as someone else's plaything. It means you want to see other REAL players & maybe have some kind of non-hostile interaction with them. And as long as this kind of attitude persists there is no hope for co-operative play.
Right on!
its really not worth getting worked up over stuff like this. Whats the wirld coming to if you cant blow steam on the forums now and then?
Its been this way since the Alpha release.
These days you might even go as far as saying if you havent ranted about losing a ship even once, you're not playing hard enough! Heh heh!
but I wont, because SOMEBODY is sure to get all up in their attic about even a comment like that! Giggle!
you lost the logic debate by having weak position of predicating online social interaction as somehow not real life; caught in your own flaw you toss in the towel by redirecting the point with the fool argument - classic redirection attempt. Kudos on that
Not sure what contradiction you're referring to. If OP had said he was going to hunt down random people as revenge for his opponent fairly beating him, ok - that'd be a contradiction.
but looking for a rematch against the same guy that beat him - whether he can find him is different thing - but if he can find/come across they guy - and both are in combatant ships - how is that a contradiction? Way i read OPs post, he wasnt swearing genocide on everyone, just the one guy he wants rematch with.
Right on!
its really not worth getting worked up over stuff like this. Whats the wirld coming to if you cant blow steam on the forums now and then?
Its been this way since the Alpha release.
These days you might even go as far as saying if you havent ranted about losing a ship even once, you're not playing hard enough! Heh heh!
but I wont, because SOMEBODY is sure to get all up in their attic about even a comment like that! Giggle!
Just to clarify, I wasn't actually saying that I thought your post was 'dishonourable', simply making the comparison to get the point across about how the concept of honour in a game can be pretty silly. There are those who would be quick to call you a coward for running, or even high waking out of there. I do think that, in general, people need to think a little more carefully about what is 'griefing', or 'bad sportsmanship' or whatever pejorative term you might like to employ. As you say, it's a game and not worth getting overly worked up about, blowing off steam is all part of it but perhaps best done without questioning the morality, intelligence or kindly human nature of your vanquisher
I will admit that I have yet to lament the loss of a ship on the forum, perhaps I should try harder. I tend to just swear quietly to myself because, generally, it happened because I made a mistake.