So all of you who exploited Quince will be next

[biohazard15]

No, we won't.

Quince is not a bug or exploit - it's just how mission system works. That was explained by Dom ("The Mission Man").

What is indeed a bug is some quirks in planetary scan missions, like "1 datapoint to rule them all" and autocompletion when other player scans their datapoint in your instance. But these are mission-specific bugs that may manifest at any place where you do planetary scans.

 

[MarkAusten]

I agree with OP about Quince.

The stacking missions is not the exploit.

The exploit is the fact that 20 missions were created which one 1 scan would complete, giving 20x the credits, 20x the data materials for engineers and 20x the Major Faction rank for a single scan.
That is a blatant exploit of an unintended game mechanic.

That has been the case for ages. I think it was passenger missions to one tourist site being fulfilled by scanning the other site. But I could be wrong about that.

 

[BL1P]

That has been the case for ages. I think it was passenger missions to one tourist site being fulfilled by scanning the other site. But I could be wrong about that.

Its both.

And Dom the mission team dev has said already that, that type of mission bug he considers an exploit.

 

[biohazard15]

Its both.

And Dom the mission team dev has said already that, that type of mission bug he considers an exploit.

It is Dom's personal opinion, not FD's official statement.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I agree with OP about Quince.

The stacking missions is not the exploit.

The exploit is the fact that 20 missions were created which one 1 scan would complete, giving 20x the credits, 20x the data materials for engineers and 20x the Major Faction rank for a single scan.
That is a blatant exploit of an unintended game mechanic.

I took 3 surface scan missions last night - because there were three available on the mission board.
Flew to the first system and scanned the beacon - all 3 missions completed.
I didn't intend that to happen. I was planning on visiting all 3 systems, but a game bug prevented me from doing so.

Tell me, how is that an exploit?

 

[BL1P]

I took 3 surface scan missions last night - because there were three available on the mission board.
Flew to the first system and scanned the beacon - all 3 missions completed.
I didn't intend that to happen. I was planning on visiting all 3 systems, but a game bug prevented me from doing so.

Tell me, how is that an exploit?

That is not you exploiting.
Repeating your action now knowing what would happen and abusing that over and over. Tell me how that is not someone exploiting ?

 

[goemon]

... so I'll head out..

please don't go there.

it will destroy your enjoyment of the game.

i know exactly what i'm talking about, as i financed my first exploration conda by robigo runs (the very, very original ones, when longrange missions where introduced frst .... even before those don't get scanned missions!).

i sold that conda later, when i got the message you won't ever be able to launch a sidewinder from it as a shuttle to planetary surfaces.

i rebought it later, and took it to a jaques CG, than exploring the upper and downer regions of the core. a travel that brought me elite in exploration. but it just felt wrong, that i didn't used my DBE for that final weeks to elite in exploration.

which is why i'm taking my DBE now on a circumnavigation.

nothing good comes from places like quince, or in my case, robigo.

be warned.

fly safe.

 

[AnotherVoice]

That is not you exploiting.
Repeating your action now knowing what would happen and abusing that over and over. Tell me how that is not someone exploiting ?

I have a solution: let's all stop using the mission board so we won't inccur a risk of getting punished by using existing and intended game mechanics.

hmmmm

 

[Deleted member 115407]

please don't go there.

I agree with goemon

 

[BL1P]

I have a solution: let's all stop using the mission board so we won't inccur a risk of getting punished by using existing and intended game mechanics.

hmmmm

Yer you do that.

 

[Lightspeed]

Poor OP.. so salt-encrusted because everyone else figured out how to game the game without exploits - and even fully stacked missions are not Exploits, just playing smart.

And I'll bet OP was that one person who, upon taking off with a load of illegal passengers, was shot down by the station.

Funny you should say that .... actually, it was on the way in because I didn't get my alignment right.

 

[Major Klutz]

Quince is not an exploit. End of story.

 

[MVP_Bluntman]

My problem is that, its bad design from the get-go. Lets look at this, the mission generation is random, seed generated that can easily manipulated to provide missions of the same type requiring the same basic objective being done, once, for millions of credits, then you can stack these missions with relative ease determining on the number of minor factions in X system.

NOW IS IT INTENDED TO MANIPULATE A RANDOMIZED MISSION GENERATION SYSTEM TO PURPOSEFULLY STACK MISSIONS, 10+ OF THEM, ALL TO MAXIMIZE YOUR CREDIT OUTCOME, DESPITE THERE BEING AN OPTION TO EASILY OBTAIN A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS AMOUNT OF CREDITS USING OTHER ACTUALLY INTENDED WAYS?


Now lets look up the definition of Exploit

 

[Lightspeed]

I took 3 surface scan missions last night - because there were three available on the mission board.
Flew to the first system and scanned the beacon - all 3 missions completed.
I didn't intend that to happen. I was planning on visiting all 3 systems, but a game bug prevented me from doing so.

Tell me, how is that an exploit?

That happens ... nobody is blaming you for that.

 

[AnotherVoice]

Yer you do that.

Might as well uninstall the game if i have to avoid every game mechanic that could potentially trigger a bug that have the potential to turn into any form of exploit.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I actually think what he Talks about is an Exploit that can be used in Quince.
Where you Stack Missions. And then do a Different Mission which however due to being the same Type. Will Update regardless you not having Finished Said Mission.

As well as Scan Missions where your Supposed to Scan several different Buildings. But due to a Bug if you stack em. All of them will update after scanning 1 building that wasnt the one from the mission.

That particular issue is not limited to Quince - but anywhere that gives multiple of the same kind of mission (Massacre or Planetary Scan), and there may not actually be a programmatical resolution. However, there is a certain logic behind it as well. Data can be duplicated. If you have doubts about this, simply select a file on your computer, Copy it and Paste it - you just duplicated data.
Do it a couple of times, then put each of those duplicates into their own folders. You've just completed multiple data missions at once. No different.

The Passengers issue, last I heard, had been corrected, but I've not been to Quince save once, and not for very long.

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Quince


This would indeed be an Exploit.
And would have nothing to do with just stacking Missions.

Did you happen to read that page? If not, let me quote directly: "Quince is well-known for its 'fast credits' exploits which allow players to make millions of credits per hour by stacking Passenger and Planetary Scan Job missions." Bold, italic, underline added to quote to highlight exactly what you said this has nothing to do with, when it has everything to do with it.

Of course, this is a Wiki page, not an official Frontier page, and anyone is free to edit these. You'll note the large "Edit" button at the top right of the page if you look.

 

[BL1P]

Might as well uninstall the game if i have to avoid every game mechanic that could potentially trigger a bug that have the potential to turn into any form of exploit.

I expect that Fdev could tell who abused an exploit to generate billions and who accidentally took a few missions, which where exploitable.
You accidentally taking one or two missions which are exploitable would not get you into any trouble you could not get out of with a simple email to support.

If your not abusing an exploit like quince scan mission, I think you would be fine. No need to worry

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

That is not you exploiting.
Repeating your action now knowing what would happen and abusing that over and over. Tell me how that is not someone exploiting ?

That happens ... nobody is blaming you for that.

So it's okay for me to do it once, but if I do it again, knowing that it might happen, then I'm exploiting?
Is that the logic?
Because that seems kinda harsh.

What if I forget and accidentally stack scan missions again?

 

[dognosh]

Seeing that you are lecturing to us and taking the moral high ground, I'll ask one more time :

You know who you are. You exploited Quince to get yourselves bigger ships - faster than you could in the main game. Some of us have honestly chosen not to go that route and "play the game."

And before you argue that it doesn't affect me ..... what are all these huge Cutters, Corvettes, even well-specced Anacondas coming from, that turn up at CGs to dump their mega-loads ? ..... that engage enough fire-power to wipe out my pitiful little ships in combat ........ ?



But seriously, if the "god-ships" are an engineering exploit, aren't Quinced-ships just one step away from this kind of exploit ?

You never ever exploited ED ?

 

[Lightspeed]

Ok, first and foremost let me say that I am not posting out of anger, or because I am upset. (Did you not see the tongue in cheek posted at the same time? ) The type of "exploitation" at Quince is on a whole different level to the kind of cheating in the game with engineers that has just been punished.

Nevertheless, it is remarkable that after all this time, the Quince 'exploit' or 'extreme game rewards' to be more accurate was not shut down sooner - there are numerous posts about "35 million credits per hour" , "I found a huge money maker", etc. etc. While it may have been legal to do them, is it morally right? Some would argue that if the game allows it, we should do it.

But that way, too many Commanders end up in too many big ships and haven't earned their way to gain those ships by playing the regular game. You can argue this is the regular game, and I understand your point of view. The Big Question is .... why didn't FD do something about it ????

To be frank, FD is very much at fault with this, because the issue could have been dealt with a long time ago. But they appear to have made the decision that no action was better than action, ie "don't want to upset the player base, so let it carry on." They might have defaulted to that situation again for the engineers exploit punishment, had the forums not pushed them to take action.

So enjoy your big and powerful ships if you gained them this way, but always remember that you really do diminish the quality of life of players who choose not to use that kind of exploit, because turning up in your big ships at CGs is going to guarantee you a place in the top x% very quickly, while the rest of us have to chug along at a slower pace and we have to work really hard to make the top 50 to 25%. It's not sour grapes - just speaking about how it is.

There are no hard feelings about this from my perspective and,no, I don't expect you will be in line for punishment - your conscience will do that for you < ------ that is a tongue in cheek comment, by the way, for those that get upset about these things.