So how do the Thargoids know about Aegis...?

Juluka

J
I've been wondering about this since the station attacks started: How do the Thargoids know about Aegis' work on the AX weapons and how do they know where the Aegis labs are?

Now certainly they could have tracked high numbers of instances of Thargoid material being transported to certain systems and perhaps even to specific stations; but that would require an almost blanket reconisance of the Pliedes. That sort of activity would have been obvious to anyone and would have certainly been reported on Galnet.

Yet they are only attacking stations with Aegis labs (so far), and not only that, they're not destroying them completely even though they obviously could. Seems pretty obvious that the targets are not the stations, but the Aegis labs.

Which brings me back to my original question:

Is it possible that the Thargids have managed to translate our language? If so, all the information they would have needed regarding Aegis and its work on the AX weapons would have all been laid out in the open for them on Galnet: and electronic news feed freely available across inhabited space (and everywhere else..... Feel free to take a tea break and catch up on all the latest happenings I the bubble while cruising around......well anywhere in the galaxy!)?

And if they have been able to translate our language, does that mean there's a way we can find a way to communicate with them?
 

VR Jay Le Chardon

VR Jay Le Chardon
If they have learned to translate our language, and presumably intercept and decipher our communications protocols, why aren't they reaching out to us?
 

Kzak

Kzak
Abducting thousands and thousands of people by capturing their escape pods, especially military personnel, makes it more likely that some of them were interrogated or 'encouraged to cooperate' by giving up important military information. I presume at least one of the captives had knowledge about Aegis' inner workings and secrets, on which the Thargoids have acted.
 

Manus McVee

Manus McVee
At least they're intelligent enough to build FTL-capable bio-mechanical spaceships. So working out a translation for a well documented language that is broadcast in the clear every time more than one human appears anywhere should be well within their capabilities.
EDIT: Plus all the things Kzak said.
 
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Juluka

J
Well considering how many commanders have been shooting at them, we haven't exactly proclaimed peace and friendship.

Or perhaps they are simply a war-like species bent on our destruction who are moving carefully due to their previous experiences with us (ie: the lore from pervious games).

There are many possible reasons for them not reaching out to us, but since they are so completely......well, alien, they may have a completely different way of thinking to us (what's logical to us may not seem logical to them and vice-versa)

Anyway, it was just musings on my part. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there and see what everyone else thought.

Kzak said:
Abducting thousands and thousands of people by capturing their escape pods, especially military personnel, makes it more likely that some of them were interrogated or 'encouraged to cooperate' by giving up important military information. I presume at least one of the captives had knowledge about Aegis' inner workings and secrets, on which the Thargoids have acted.
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True. That's a very likely scenario. But it still indicates that they've been able to translate our language. So could we do the same?
 

damon8r351

damon8r351
There's certain species of insects, ants or bees I can't remember which, that when they sting you it releases a pheromone that tells the rest of the colony to come after you and do the same.

In my mind, Thargoids might have the same thing, maybe on a quantum entanglement sort of scale or something equally as trippy, seeing as witchspace seems to be part of their natural habitat. So maybe they're looking for things that belong to them, the Sensors, Meta-Alloys, Resins, who knows, and they know what stations to tear up, because they can "smell" where it's been. Problem is we've been carting things like that all over the place, so they're following a muddied trail, and we're paying the price.
 

Juluka

J
That's an excellent suggestion. I'm sure I read somewhere Thargoids are hive-minded. Mind you, if you're right it may blow any chance of communicating with them right out of the water.
 

damon8r351

damon8r351
This is why I think we shouldn't ascribe human-style motivations to them. They aren't human, they're apparently insectoid or at least some sort of arthropod. How would an ant colony behave if they had sentience? This should be the direction humanity should think when trying to figure out the motivations of the Thargoids.
 

Vasious

Vasious
Juluka said:
I've been wondering about this since the station attacks started: How do the Thargoids know about Aegis' work on the AX weapons and how do they know where the Aegis labs are?

Now certainly they could have tracked high numbers of instances of Thargoid material being transported to certain systems and perhaps even to specific stations; but that would require an almost blanket reconisance of the Pliedes. That sort of activity would have been obvious to anyone and would have certainly been reported on Galnet.

Yet they are only attacking stations with Aegis labs (so far), and not only that, they're not destroying them completely even though they obviously could. Seems pretty obvious that the targets are not the stations, but the Aegis labs.

Which brings me back to my original question:

Is it possible that the Thargids have managed to translate our language? If so, all the information they would have needed regarding Aegis and its work on the AX weapons would have all been laid out in the open for them on Galnet: and electronic news feed freely available across inhabited space (and everywhere else..... Feel free to take a tea break and catch up on all the latest happenings I the bubble while cruising around......well anywhere in the galaxy!)?

And if they have been able to translate our language, does that mean there's a way we can find a way to communicate with them?
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They are just looking for concentrations of Thargoid Tech, which is in all the Aegis Labs, in the stations that they have attached.

The Flowerships have no concept that the stations belong to anyone, that Aegis exist, or that Humanity is sentient and has a language and communication is possible.

The Flowerships have a directive to reclaim the Thargoid tech, and humanity is just an obstacle to that goal, but no different an obstacle to a wall that gets knocked down, if it is in the way.
 

Bryan K

Bryan K
Personally I wouldn’t be surprised if they learned our language during the previous war.

Maybe they’re using the Thargoid Sensors to spy on us?
 

Cmdr Eran Mintor

Cmdr Eran Mintor
They can pick up on certain things and track them, as stated by INRA logs (referencing the ones regarding the "trap" INRA tried to set).

Probably just able to follow thargoid sensors and probes. Likely Aegis labs contain thargoid stuff we haven't even seen yet, like maybe live specimens. Also there's a lot of free information available to them as mentioned by others.

Possible they deciphered our language but I imagine it's more than that. They have more knowledge about what Aegis is doing than we do. If it was the AX weapons they wanted to stop theyre too late for that and would've attacked CGs instead. It's likely things are going on in those labs were not supposed to know about. Theyre only disabling not destroyed. Very surgical strikes with a purpose against Aegis labs.
 

xTrem_Sheep

xTrem_Sheep
Maybe their technology is not precise because if they were after things like meta alloys, they would not hyperdict us if we have nothing of interest, or they can't know what we have in cargo if we are in witch space and they interdict us randomly. So there's 2 things : they want us to think that they are not really advanced or they still don't know everything about our technology. Sorry if it's been proven i don't really follow the threads
 

UmbraRex

UmbraRex
damon8r351 said:
There's certain species of insects, ants or bees I can't remember which, that when they sting you it releases a pheromone that tells the rest of the colony to come after you and do the same.

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Fire ants and killer bees both do this if memory serves
 

CMDR Minion Blob

CMDR Minion Blob
Or they could have even infiltrated FDev's offices a long time ago to obtain classified info and maybe even secretly sabotage development efforts, bugging our mission systems, and interfering with their Comms with the player base (CMDRs).

I'd start with a certain Loach and expand the AX-Counterinsurgency investigation to other critical roles, especially Community Managers and Galnet content authors (Galnet Logo, anyone?). I've long suspected encoded communication sub channels since the current format is clearly intended for non-human consumption.

Only thing saved us so far is the extreme latency, but this deficiency is being addressed soon with Galnet Audio.
 

Louis Calvert

Louis Calvert
Vasious said:
They are just looking for concentrations of Thargoid Tech, which is in all the Aegis Labs, in the stations that they have attached.

The Flowerships have no concept that the stations belong to anyone, that Aegis exist, or that Humanity is sentient and has a language and communication is possible.

The Flowerships have a directive to reclaim the Thargoid tech, and humanity is just an obstacle to that goal, but no different an obstacle to a wall that gets knocked down, if it is in the way.
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^ This.

Cmdr Eran Mintor said:
They can pick up on certain things and track them, as stated by INRA logs (referencing the ones regarding the "trap" INRA tried to set).

Probably just able to follow thargoid sensors and probes. Likely Aegis labs contain thargoid stuff we haven't even seen yet, like maybe live specimens. Also there's a lot of free information available to them as mentioned by others.

Possible they deciphered our language but I imagine it's more than that. They have more knowledge about what Aegis is doing than we do. It's likely things are going on in those labs were not supposed to know about. Theyre only disabling not destroyed. Very surgical strikes with a purpose against Aegis labs.
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^ This.

A lot of people seem to be forgetting that the Thargoids marked out an area 150ly across well outside our space a while back and have been pretty good with keeping to it. The only time they've attacked outside of that area is people who have been carrying Thargoid items that have been hyperdicted - and that's fairly rare. They're only attacking our things inside the Thargoid bubble.

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again. In this particular case, the Thargoids aren't the "big bad monsters" - humans are.

Bryan K said:
Personally I wouldn’t be surprised if they learned our language during the previous war.
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The Oresrians can speak our language (the Thargoids we fought in the war and have had interactions with before and since dating back almost 400 years) - it's very well documented in lore. There's no problem whatsoever in humans and Oresrians talking to each other. However, there's literally zero evidence that these Thargoids are the Oresrians...

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