So I accidentally gave away two Founder's World Permits. [A Multi-Crew Concern]

Bonktaculos

B
I thought it would be nice to sell off my diamonds, and spread some of the fruits of my labors with two of my squadron. While trade dividends are nice, I'd long since found out it's possible to double-dip on shared profit from trade runs on high-value transactions by playing musical multi-crew chairs. A 64m (twice) shared trade profit isn't a terrible thing for a couple players looking to get out of their pythons, right?

"What's a Founder's World?"

What.

WHAT.

Turns out that any experience the hosting player gains is duplicated for all participating crew. The threshold for reaching Elite in trading is 1,000,000,000 credits.

I sent two commanders from zero to hero in about six seconds.



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I'm not sure how I feel about that. I feel dirty.
 

Morbad

Morbad
A lot of silly holes and even more silly incentives in this game.

Anyway, if cheesing multi-crew to hand CMDR credits they didn't earn was acceptable, I'm not sure why the rank or the permit would be problematic.
 

Bonktaculos

B
I guess I just had the wrong expectation of how much experience would be gained. I had expected the actual credit increase to their own wallet would be what was counted toward their ranking. So now they're elite ranked with about a tenth of the funds it took to get there, you know?
 

Valorin

Valorin
Since the payouts have been buffed back then, Trade and Exploration Elite are much too easy to achieve and kinda lost their meaning.
Usually an "Elite" rank in one of those meant that you spent a significant amount of time trading or exploring and that you are considered an expert, no, ELITE in those trades with a lot of experience and knowledge about it. Well. Not anymore.
I especially don't like that it breaks apart the lore.
 

varonica

varonica
ObiW said:
That used to be a number almost unfathomable to achieve by playing the game normally. Now it can be a single, standard transaction.

SMH.
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Or if you are an explorer several hours of sitting in a station selling data 50 systems at a time! 🍻
 

sgurr

S
The trading rank doesn't mean anything now. Not your fault OP, just the direction FD have taken the game.

The first competition FD ran was first to triple Elite, "1029 hours from 18th December 2014 to 24th February 2015", "Trading which took me 18-19 days to get elite"
www.eurogamer.net

Elite: Dangerous' first Triple Elite player just won £10,000

Elite: Dangerous developer Frontier just awarded £10,000 to the first player to reach Triple Elite status.
www.eurogamer.net www.eurogamer.net
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Exploration Elite took me a year of heavy play back when the game was released, half of which at least was spent out in the black. I hear you can get it now in a matter of days exploring.

Trade Elite went up very slow until FD added passenger missions, then i was elite in trade overnight.

Combat Elite, i'm still not there, despite enjoying combat and for 5 years have been doing combat between other things.

Its a funny old world.
 

CMDR Harada

CMDR Harada
ObiW said:
That used to be a number almost unfathomable to achieve by playing the game normally. Now it can be a single, standard transaction.

SMH.
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Agreed. But all us long time players sound like bitter old men when it gets brought up. Things like :

My Asp had a 32 LY jump range and I was HAPPY with that !
700k credits was a great mission payout, back in the day !
It took me MONTH to save for that Python, MONTHS !
I had a top secret 5 hop trade route that made me 3 million a circuit. 3 Million !

It's just the way things work now. Adapt or Die. Elite in a few hours. What a joke. At least Combat still counts for something.

I've been spending my intellectual capital and time on other things, like gathering MATs to perfectly tune my little Vulture, or MIN/MAX'ing my Vette. Things that a 10 hour Elite trader wouldn't know how to do. Not really into the PvP thing, but I am thinking of becoming a ganker, just to shut down a few of the n00bs who think they 'beat' the game by getting an FC in a week.

I know, I know.. not very sporting. But I'm a bitter old man ( by ED standards, at any rate)
 

Bottom Hat

Bottom Hat
CMDR Harada said:
Agreed. But all us long time players sound like bitter old men when it gets brought up. Things like :

My Asp had a 32 LY jump range and I was HAPPY with that !
700k credits was a great mission payout, back in the day !
It took me MONTH to save for that Python, MONTHS !
I had a top secret 5 hop trade route that made me 3 million a circuit. 3 Million !

It's just the way things work now. Adapt or Die. Elite in a few hours. What a joke. At least Combat still counts for something.

I've been spending my intellectual capital and time on other things, like gathering MATs to perfectly tune my little Vulture, or MIN/MAX'ing my Vette. Things that a 10 hour Elite trader wouldn't know how to do. Not really into the PvP thing, but I am thinking of becoming a ganker, just to shut down a few of the n00bs who think they 'beat' the game by getting an FC in a week.

I know, I know.. not very sporting. But I'm a bitter old man ( by ED standards, at any rate)
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Can't beat your final point dude, there are a lot of us there!!
 

Deleted member 182079

D
CMDR Harada said:
Agreed. But all us long time players sound like bitter old men when it gets brought up. Things like :

My Asp had a 32 LY jump range and I was HAPPY with that !
700k credits was a great mission payout, back in the day !
It took me MONTH to save for that Python, MONTHS !
I had a top secret 5 hop trade route that made me 3 million a circuit. 3 Million !

It's just the way things work now. Adapt or Die. Elite in a few hours. What a joke. At least Combat still counts for something.

I've been spending my intellectual capital and time on other things, like gathering MATs to perfectly tune my little Vulture, or MIN/MAX'ing my Vette. Things that a 10 hour Elite trader wouldn't know how to do. Not really into the PvP thing, but I am thinking of becoming a ganker, just to shut down a few of the n00bs who think they 'beat' the game by getting an FC in a week.

I know, I know.. not very sporting. But I'm a bitter old man ( by ED standards, at any rate)
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I sometimes feel I want to start ganking, but then I feel bad about it. Still have not popped another CMDR (2 exceptions where I was in a wing - 1 victim was a ganker attacking miners, the other was a T9 who refused to keep running away from a pirate wing that I was part of - in neither case did I deliver the finishing blow), but seeing Harmless to Novice ships mining in complete ignorance in the middle of a hotspot I just can't do it. If I could find those who keep spamming syschat with garbage... but they all seem to play in other modes.

The deepest black seems to be the best option to 'get away from the madness' really.
 

FEYBUHL

FEYBUHL
OP, well that’s disheartening.
And I agree with harada and bottom hat.

I’d be disappointed receiving something I didn’t play for.
A couple of days ago I got Kepler achievement in error I expect, just going from sol to deciat and basic scanning every jump.
I was looking forward to getting that when I actually go more than 1000ly out of the bubble.
 

Fractured_Future

Fractured_Future
CMDR Harada said:
Agreed. But all us long time players sound like bitter old men when it gets brought up. Things like :

My Asp had a 32 LY jump range and I was HAPPY with that !
700k credits was a great mission payout, back in the day !
It took me MONTH to save for that Python, MONTHS !
I had a top secret 5 hop trade route that made me 3 million a circuit. 3 Million !
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Here is the thing that I do not understand, unless perhaps a PVP focused CMDR, which you are not as you have stated.

Why should it bother you, that there is a greater array of player styles and choices in how to experience ED?
  • Nothing is stopping you from having an ASP with only a 32ly jump range right now? Is there?
  • Nothing is stopping you from appreciating that 700k credits still could be a great mission payout if you choose it to be? Is there?
  • Nothing is stopping you from grinding something priced lower than the meta-markets," to have to save for that Python for months" right? Is there?
Is it the loss of value placed on the things you found value in before?
Could it be, dare I say, envy that there exists those who have surpassed these great achievements faster than previously believed possible?

Anyway, just some thoughts I have been thinking, which naturally I think it is a good idea to post online :p
o7
 

CMDR Harada

CMDR Harada
Fractured_Future said:
Here is the thing that I do not understand, unless perhaps a PVP focused CMDR, which you are not as you have stated.

Why should it bother you, that there is a greater array of player styles and choices in how to experience ED?
  • Nothing is stopping you from having an ASP with only a 32ly jump range right now? Is there?
  • Nothing is stopping you from appreciating that 700k credits still could be a great mission payout if you choose it to be? Is there?
  • Nothing is stopping you from grinding something priced lower than the meta-markets," to have to save for that Python for months" right? Is there?
Is it the loss of value placed on the things you found value in before?
Could it be, dare I say, envy that there exists those who have surpassed these great achievements faster than previously believed possible?

Anyway, just some thoughts I have been thinking, which naturally I think it is a good idea to post online :p
o7
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I was pondering this as I made a trip out to HIP 36601 for some more MATs.. and saw the system over run with FCs, all of them offering rides back to the bubble and other places. I wondered how the CMDRs getting rides sold their discovery data.. when they didn't have any, because they didn't need any, because they could mine LTDs for 10 minutes and have loads more credits. And Elite status, with access to Jameson, in the same afternoon. Then they could buy any ship, with any stock config they wanted, and hop the next FC to Beagle Point. Was I stupid for taking my Annie, the long way, and then SC'ing out to the spots for the paltry sum of 3 million in exploration data ?

This is the way it works now. You don't have to work your way up from Sidewinder - Hauler - Cobra - Asp - Python.. Or look at a journey to Sag-A as a major undertaking.. just schedule it and hop an FC. Like I said in my earlier post, Adapt or Die. But the way I see it, the new players are getting the Cliff's Notes version of Elite. Sure, they get the major plot points, but not the STORY. I feel the same way about miners with minimal shields following a youtube video, that I do about a 12 year old who says they can play Chess, as long as they have ChessMaster loaded on their iPhone. While I'd like to take the time to thrash the 12 year old pseudo chess-wiz, in the end it's a lost cause. Just like clearing the Triple Hotspot. Sure, it would be good for a laugh, but not much else ( I'm not a salt miner ).

Elite has been cheapened. There isn't a journey anymore. It's been infected with a bunch of finish lines that can be quickly blasted thru and checked off. So, yes, there is a loss of value in things I valued before. But envy ? ENVY ? Afraid you got that wrong. No, I am not envious. It's as if new CMDRs sprinted thru the Louvre, ignoring it all because they wanted to get to the gift shop at the end for a poster of the Mona Lisa and a plastic 12" figurine of the three graces. If anything, I feel pity.

But, sentimentality aside, Frontier has a business to run. And it looks like business is good ( from Steam numbers ). So they made the right choices.
 

Sysmon

Sysmon
CMDR Harada said:
I was pondering this as I made a trip out to HIP 36601 for some more MATs.. and saw the system over run with FCs, all of them offering rides back to the bubble and other places. I wondered how the CMDRs getting rides sold their discovery data.. when they didn't have any, because they didn't need any, because they could mine LTDs for 10 minutes and have loads more credits. And Elite status, with access to Jameson, in the same afternoon. Then they could buy any ship, with any stock config they wanted, and hop the next FC to Beagle Point. Was I stupid for taking my Annie, the long way, and then SC'ing out to the spots for the paltry sum of 3 million in exploration data ?

This is the way it works now. You don't have to work your way up from Sidewinder - Hauler - Cobra - Asp - Python.. Or look at a journey to Sag-A as a major undertaking.. just schedule it and hop an FC. Like I said in my earlier post, Adapt or Die. But the way I see it, the new players are getting the Cliff's Notes version of Elite. Sure, they get the major plot points, but not the STORY. I feel the same way about miners with minimal shields following a youtube video, that I do about a 12 year old who says they can play Chess, as long as they have ChessMaster loaded on their iPhone. While I'd like to take the time to thrash the 12 year old pseudo chess-wiz, in the end it's a lost cause. Just like clearing the Triple Hotspot. Sure, it would be good for a laugh, but not much else ( I'm not a salt miner ).

Elite has been cheapened. There isn't a journey anymore. It's been infected with a bunch of finish lines that can be quickly blasted thru and checked off. So, yes, there is a loss of value in things I valued before. But envy ? ENVY ? Afraid you got that wrong. No, I am not envious. It's as if new CMDRs sprinted thru the Louvre, ignoring it all because they wanted to get to the gift shop at the end for a poster of the Mona Lisa and a plastic 12" figurine of the three graces. If anything, I feel pity.

But, sentimentality aside, Frontier has a business to run. And it looks like business is good ( from Steam numbers ). So they made the right choices.
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We got to play the game back when it felt meaningful and the company had a vision for it. We should be grateful for that, I reckon.

:D S
 

GroG79

G
CMDR Harada said:
Elite has been cheapened. There isn't a journey anymore. It's been infected with a bunch of finish lines that can be quickly blasted thru and checked off. So, yes, there is a loss of value in things I valued before. But envy ? ENVY ? Afraid you got that wrong. No, I am not envious. It's as if new CMDRs sprinted thru the Louvre, ignoring it all because they wanted to get to the gift shop at the end for a poster of the Mona Lisa and a plastic 12" figurine of the three graces. If anything, I feel pity.
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Fast easy and cheap. How people like it.. Millenials.. entitlement. However you want to call it.
Yes we are the old farts now :)
 
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