So, what are the exciting E3 announcements?

Oh but it does need those things. I have no issue with an XBOX exclusive and I'd rather it was something I was meh about myself, but understand the appeal to other people.

Now... now we come to the tricky bit. They've had three big patches. 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3. Of those 1.3 was pretty much content that we're not entirely sure was in the DDF (we can argue for and again it being an implementation of Tier 1 NPCs, whilst it has some similarities, it's not entirely what we discussed in terms of who they are and the board game wasn't really discussed at all). And they've had their big show off with the XBox and something that'd appeal to that crowd, CQC. Now if they continue in this way, we might be going down a track that a lot of us don't agree with.
My view is very clear here. Wings was in the design (and in the DDA). CGs were not. PP was not. Neither were in the DDA. There was some typical DBOBE stuff in one of the kickstarter videos where he talked the talk of things like building a new spaceport or fights between rival factions. You can argue (Pecsik does, I disagree) that those make CG and PP 'part of DBOBE's vision'. He was certainly not desribing anything as poor as those things, IMHO, but YMMV. Shades of grey, perhaps.
But they might now buckle down, fix the game and release stuff that would add depth and emotional attachment (taking care of MY ship the Saviour's Haste, having crew to play with, better mission content, whatever).

I think 1.4 and 1.5 will give us a good idea of their general direction. 1.1 and 1.2 were fine and within the remit of the direction we'd been expecting. 1.3 was (in general terms of fixes and updates) and was not (in terms of the board game I do actually love).

So I'll withhold judging until then. I want to see where we're at at Christmas.
I think their general direction is quite clear. They seem to have shifted their 'vision' quite significantly a year or so ago, away from the grand overarching vision and balanced roles and all that stuff, to a pew-pew pushing people together focus. To me it looks like that shift was one of the reasons for them abandoning the DDF, and it certainly explains things like the lack of promised consequences for murder, and their laid back attitude to griefing (despite what DBOBE said). That change of focus seems to me to have been to target a different audience, and therefore also explains why we have an XBox version so quickly. Now, what I don't know is whether this is a temporary 'money grab' change of direction, and they will circle back round to the original vision / DDA stuff later, or whether we can expect further focus on that audience (he said, desperately trying not to say dumbing down). There are one or two 'good' comments made about CQC: they have come right out and said that it is a separate mode to keep the main game pure. Whether they feel able to stick to that remains to be seen: we have seen them cave in to forum pressure over other 'red line' stuff.

But I certainly agree with the 'wait and see'. I have been doing that for ages (whilst grumbling away on the forums) as I stopped listening to what they said ages ago, since, unfortunately, there is a level of 'doing' they have to achieve before I will start to believe what they say again.
 
Are you sure about this?
I refer you to Tinman's post, above, written when I was stood on a soapbox pontificating about something else.
And, if indeed everything is developed on PC, at the same time, then there is no reason on God's green Earth the Xbox stuff couldn't have been released at the same time as PC or Mac for that matter. Of course, there's always the possibility that contractual obligations (I'm looking at you Micr$oft) by way of a "Timed Exclusive" but, in regards to playability, if everything is developed once, then spread to other systems, PC would certainly be done first and thereby remove any obstacle, other than strictly a business decision, that might PC getting content at the same time as any other platform.
Exactly. See my comment above. There is almost certainly a sum of money or other consideration here. In that regard, I find Michael Brookes' post that it was done 'because it was a good fit for the platform' (not the exact words - I am going from memory) unnecessarily disingenuous.
 
More free updates ARE coming.
Major paid expansions ARE coming.

These are not guesses.

You can't ask me to provide details and then disregard it when I do...also I don't claim these things as fact, only that this is the best information we have at the moment.



Once again, all I've did is to quote what they have said will come. I've never claimed that all of these WILL come as a dead certain "fact" (and nor did they). Only that they have said that this is what they are planning to do.



If you choose to read my comments as facts even though I as often as possible try to use words like "probably", "IMO", "I find it likely", "I assume"...then that's your problem, not mine. As for my graph...well it's not false...anyone with kickstarter access who also have been following the numbers could back me up on this.

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From their website:

Reread your last few posts, you'll notice things like:

"These are not guesses"
"Shows without a doubt"

If it's not guesses and shows without a doubt, it's a fact, no matter what you call it.

What's my point in this whole discussion? My point is that your opinion is no more valid or informed than anyone else's, no matter how many inaccurate graphs you post "without a doubt" or quote FD and exclaim "these are not guesses". If, you know, for a fact, (ie without a doubt or not a guess) about what's coming, other than quotes from FD. which have proved false many times, then please share it with all of us. We'd like to know. If not, please refrain from stating things as absolutes, as you're guessing and hoping just like the rest of us.

The truth is, none of us know, anything, for certain, without a doubt or are not guessing about the future of ED.
 
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The truth is, none of us know, anything, for certain, without a doubt or are not guessing about the future of ED.

well some girls are bigger than others - if you don't mind ^^

and despite different levels of information about the current state of affairs regarding ED - by your logic not even DB knows what will happen with ed as a fact. you are just playing silly with semantics and not doing it particularly well :/ i would guess powerplay has been given a bit more thought that your last few posts

/hugs
 
Reread your last few posts, you'll notice things like:

"These are not guesses"
"Shows without a doubt"

If it's not guesses and shows without a doubt, it's a fact, no matter what you call it.

"These are not guesses" with full context:

More free updates ARE coming.
Major paid expansions ARE coming.

These are not guesses.

These very specific statements are not guesses. In this case I do stand by them...if I'm unsure about something that will reflect in what I write.

Case in point...

"Shows without a doubt" with full context:

I think the graph shows without doubt what the marketing guys where thinking and hoping for and that doing this announcement had a pretty big impact on sales for the game. AKA good marketing!

In other words: To ME the numbers in this specific case do paint a very clear picture about something that has happened and therefore is a "fact", as you would have put it. If you choose to believe that my graph is inaccurate (which it isn't) is another matter...

What's my point in this whole discussion? My point is that your opinion is no more valid or informed than anyone else's, no matter how many inaccurate graphs you post "without a doubt" or quote FD and exclaim "these are not guesses". If, you know, for a fact, (ie without a doubt or not a guess) about what's coming, other than quotes from FD. which have proved false many times, then please share it with all of us. We'd like to know. If not, please refrain from stating things as absolutes, as you're guessing and hoping just like the rest of us.

Once again...I've very seldom claim things as absolutes (unless very specific cases where they indeed are) so your point is...pointless. :D

I DO however consider myself to be more informed than most about this game...I don't necessarily know if this is a good thing though! :eek::eek:

As a closing note (got other things to do) I'll just leave you with this in regards to when things will come:

Listen to David at the 20:20 mark...
http://www.twitch.tv/joystiq/v/6318489

Notice how he says that "...we have dates for these things in mind..."
 
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its snusmumriken from moomin. we actually visited moominland this weekend in Finland

OMFG you lucky person! we are just on a re-run of the old non-animated series produced by semafor-studio poland in 79. best tv series ever ^^ where is moominland, near helsinki?
 
Assassins Creed: Syndicate. Seriously. No multiplayer, total single player, horse and carrige jacking. It looks droolworthy.

Mad Max (what we all wanted Elite to be, with cars). I haven't been this excited by a video game since I accidentally smeared one in coffee and ate it.

Absolutely nothing to get excited about with regards to Elite though, not for many here. A CQC arena based game with ships is not immersive, it's basically world of tanks in space and it will detract from the strength of the Elite franchise. There are also other games that do that much better.

oh my goodness, mad max, yes... lots of great looking games coming in november
 
I bought E D based on the understanding that we'd all be in one universe and have to find each other to fight.

The CQC system seems to directly undermine what makes the game different. I knew the rep decay was a bad omen.
 
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I bought E D based on the understanding that we'd all be in one universe and have to find each other to fight.

The CQC system seems to directly undermine what makes the game different. I knew the rep decay was a bad omen.

hmpf - CQC (somehow it spells another c-word in my filthy little mind, sry) is a battle arena bolt on to the main game wihtout direct interference. what is not to like?

you can just 8man (or whatever a wing/team will constitute) elite for a quick fix - awesome in my book. really looking forward to it, hope it does take off on XBox One. i will get a box if this thing is half decent & competetive.

this is about funding FDEVs development of ED. so they give xboxers an xbox style add-on to the game to keep/entice them into the game longer. more cash = sooner, better planetary landing et al , right?
 
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My view is very clear here. Wings was in the design (and in the DDA). CGs were not. PP was not. Neither were in the DDA. There was some typical DBOBE stuff in one of the kickstarter videos where he talked the talk of things like building a new spaceport or fights between rival factions. You can argue (Pecsik does, I disagree) that those make CG and PP 'part of DBOBE's vision'. He was certainly not desribing anything as poor as those things, IMHO, but YMMV. Shades of grey, perhaps. I think their general direction is quite clear. They seem to have shifted their 'vision' quite significantly a year or so ago, away from the grand overarching vision and balanced roles and all that stuff, to a pew-pew pushing people together focus.

Yes, exactly what it looks like to me. IMO the kickstarter/DDF/blog videos during KS, alpha and beta didn't portray anything even remotely resembling the CGs and Powerplay that we now have. I remember them saying more than once that PvP (and player-player interaction) was going to be "rare and meaningful".

For the record, I don't have a problem with either wings or CGs, but Powerplay seems very badly thought-out. My impression of PP is that they built the quickest/simplest set of PP mechanics they could to get the feature out of the door, and failed in planning how the new system would affect and integrate with existing parts of the game (not to mention storyline, lore, logical consistency...).

...I certainly agree with the 'wait and see'. I have been doing that for ages (whilst grumbling away on the forums) as I stopped listening to what they said ages ago, since, unfortunately, there is a level of 'doing' they have to achieve before I will start to believe what they say again.

Sadly, this is precisely the position Frontier have now left me in.
 
I bought E D based on the understanding that we'd all be in one universe and have to find each other to fight.

The CQC system seems to directly undermine what makes the game different. I knew the rep decay was a bad omen.

Reading the Ars Technica article we "all" won't be flying together anyways.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...-e3-xbox-exclusives-and-qa-with-david-braben/

The Xbox One players are being segregated onto their own servers and will only influcence the common galaxy stuff. FD claim due to the way patches are handled but MS has always has a stance against cross play and so I expected this when the Xbox one version was annonced.
 
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Reading the Ars Technica article we "all" won't be flying together anyways.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...-e3-xbox-exclusives-and-qa-with-david-braben/

The Xbox One players are being segregated onto their own servers and will only influcence the common galaxy stuff. FD claim due to the way patches are handled but MS has always has a stance against cross play and so I expected this when the Xbox one version was annonced.

I think MS is changing its tune on cross-play. Heck, Windows is their platform as much as Xbox is. I really hope the negative to cross-play has more to do with patch cycles and that eventually (like a year) when the core game is stable we will get cross-play.
 
hmpf - CQC (somehow it spells another c-word in my filthy little mind, sry) is a battle arena bolt on to the main game without direct interference. what is not to like?

you can just 8man (or whatever a wing/team will constitute) elite for a quick fix - awesome in my book. really looking forward to it, hope it does take off on XBox One. i will get a box if this thing is half decent & competitive.

this is about funding FDEVs development of ED. so they give xboxers an xbox style add-on to the game to keep/entice them into the game longer. more cash = sooner, better planetary landing et al , right?

Spot on there. I am looking forward to some arena dogfightin' and new shoes for the interns at Frontier.
 
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I think MS is changing its tune on cross-play. Heck, Windows is their platform as much as Xbox is. I really hope the negative to cross-play has more to do with patch cycles and that eventually (like a year) when the core game is stable we will get cross-play.

well FD would also have to half the current limit on PC for ships per instance as Elite on Xbox can only handle 16.
 
Think maybe it is time I cool my jets...I was really hoping to get some juicy news out of E3. Heck, even a teaser would've made me happy...Now I'm getting all edgy with folks on various posts...Probably should just get back to work ;)

At least I'm not too invested in Star Citizen...no FPS and that 2 minute video from CR in London would have boiled my blood had I cared.
 
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