Sol - Body IDs (Journal Records) & Creating a Galaxy

publicstaticvoid · Mar 4, 2019

There may or may not be ethical issues with looking in the Journal records even though it is technically common place these days. Just incase I have wrapped my research into a spoiler tag. If you have any issues with looking in the journal please feel free to pass up this post.

This is Persephone as viewed from the developer's video, blink and you will miss it @ 36:50

[video=youtube;Vz3nhCykZNw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz3nhCykZNw[/video]

Note the following snip it:

Unfortunately Persephone doesn't have a reported moon in game that you can discover with the navbeacon or maps making it a little suspicious that it would be in the video with the devs. So in my attempt to find a way to determine whether or not there was indeed a hidden body I looked at the Nav Beacon scans in the Journal Records (Courtesy of Cmdr Xeno):

Within each record the following data entries exist:

I decided to put these in order by body ID in the logs and see what came out.

I found Body ID's do not provide any conclusive evidence that there is or was ever a moon around Persephone as Persephone has the very last Body ID in the scan. There very well may be a moon around Persephone that isn't hinted at in the scan because it would be labeled as Body ID 47. Either way, no questions answered, only more have been asked.

For Body IDs 6, 8, 14, 23, 29, and 31 cross referenced their location's in order with the actual system map for Sol and determined that these are most likely place holders or relics for Rings and Belts except for Body ID: 21. This falls between Saturn and Uranus. There is nothing in this location in game, meaning it could be anything from a hidden moon of Saturn or another body between Saturn and Uranus.

There are also notable oddities in Pluto and Charon's Parent Values as well where they appear to have been in orbit around a now redacted object that fell under Body ID 31. Judging by the System map for our solar system I believe body ID 31 is actually a place holder for the Keiper belt. Notably both objects are KBOs so it would make sense that some previous system ordered them as KBOs thus being a child of the KB Body. The Null pointer is mildly concerning from a developer standpoint but otherwise appears to have no other implications.

If I uncover more in my Independent Research I will post it here.

-Void

Han_Zen · Mar 4, 2019

publicstaticvoid said:
There may or may not be ethical issues with looking in the Journal records even though it is technically common place these days. Just incase I have wrapped my research into a spoiler tag. If you have any issues with looking in the journal please feel free to pass up this post.

This is Persephone as viewed from the developer's video, blink and you will miss it @ 36:50

Note the following snip it:

Unfortunately Persephone doesn't have a reported moon in game that you can discover with the navbeacon or maps making it a little suspicious that it would be in the video with the devs. So in my attempt to find a way to determine whether or not there was indeed a hidden body I looked at the Nav Beacon scans in the Journal Records (Courtesy of Cmdr Xeno):

Within each record the following data entries exist:

I decided to put these in order by body ID in the logs and see what came out.

I found Body ID's do not provide any conclusive evidence that there is or was ever a moon around Persephone as Persephone has the very last Body ID in the scan. There very well may be a moon around Persephone that isn't hinted at in the scan because it would be labeled as Body ID 47. Either way, no questions answered, only more have been asked.

For Body IDs 6, 8, 14, 23, 29, and 31 cross referenced their location's in order with the actual system map for Sol and determined that these are most likely place holders or relics for Rings and Belts except for Body ID: 21. This falls between Saturn and Uranus. There is nothing in this location in game, meaning it could be anything from a hidden moon of Saturn or another body between Saturn and Uranus.

There are also notable oddities in Pluto and Charon's Parent Values as well where they appear to have been in orbit around a now redacted object that fell under Body ID 31. Judging by the System map for our solar system I believe body ID 31 is actually a place holder for the Keiper belt. Notably both objects are KBOs so it would make sense that some previous system ordered them as KBOs thus being a child of the KB Body. The Null pointer is mildly concerning from a developer standpoint but otherwise appears to have no other implications.

If I uncover more in my Independent Research I will post it here.

-Void

Nice work.

I don’t think 31 is a placeholder for anything. It’s just the gravity center of the binary constelation of Pluto and Charon. It’s the point that orbits Sol.

It’s there for the recursive node system to work. Some of the needed nodes, does not have a body.

Jukelo · Mar 4, 2019

Han_Zen said:
Nice work.

I don’t think 31 is a placeholder for anything. It’s just the gravity center of the binary constelation of Pluto and Charon. It’s the point that orbits Sol.

It’s there for the recursive node system to work. Some of the needed nodes, does not have a body.

This is probably correct regarding 31, and certainly easy to verify as binaries are quite common.

As for the mistery object the OP is refering to in the video: I would expect it to be a comet. They are already generated by the stellar forge, but not shown yet.

VR andysonofbob · Mar 4, 2019

No idea what this is

HOWEVER

That video is peng!

publicstaticvoid · Mar 4, 2019

Han_Zen said:
Nice work.

I don’t think 31 is a placeholder for anything. It’s just the gravity center of the binary constelation of Pluto and Charon. It’s the point that orbits Sol.

It’s there for the recursive node system to work. Some of the needed nodes, does not have a body.

Thank you for the compliment. I'll keep digging, with Sol being persistent I would've thought it would have been statically generated not procedurally, or abiding by the same constraints other systems do. I'll definitely check other systems.

Thanks,
Void

Han_Zen · Mar 4, 2019

Jukelo said:
This is probably correct regarding 31, and certainly easy to verify as binaries are quite common.

As for the mistery object the OP is refering to in the video: I would expect it to be a comet. They are already generated by the stellar forge, but not shown yet.

Probably.

There is at least one station in the game, that orbits an invicible comet.

Sapyx · Mar 5, 2019

Jukelo said:
As for the mistery object the OP is refering to in the video: I would expect it to be a comet. They are already generated by the stellar forge, but not shown yet.

Han_Zen said:
Probably.

There is at least one station in the game, that orbits an invicible comet.

I agree. Specifically, the "mystery object" number 21 is almost certainly Halley's Comet, the most famous comet in Sol system, which has an orbit with a semimajor axis of about 8900 Ls - which would put it in between Saturn and Uranus.

Jukelo · Mar 5, 2019

Han_Zen said:
Probably.

There is at least one station in the game, that orbits an invicible comet.

If the OP wants to have a look, there is the Pareco system with 5 stations orbiting what is thought to be a comet.

publicstaticvoid · Mar 5, 2019

Jukelo said:
If the OP wants to have a look, there is the Pareco system with 5 stations orbiting what is thought to be a comet.

I plan on doing just that, I'm heading back from re-re-re-re-re-re investigating the Zurara and surrounding systems / nebulae

Sapyx · Mar 6, 2019

Jukelo said:
If the OP wants to have a look, there is the Pareco system with 5 stations orbiting what is ~~thought~~ proven to be a comet.

Fixed that for you.

Proof is in this thread.

Theoretically, one could do the same with Halley's Comet in Sol, except finding it would be like finding a needle in a haystack the size of a planet.