Powerplay Sol bubble Archer systems progress wiped

[Novarek]

I'm looking at the galactic map, and granted the way it displays system alignment is a little whacky at times, but I'm not really seeing anything that looks like there's a big swath of Alliance systems held by any Federation factions? Mahon is by far the biggest faction next to Aisling and not really looking like it's lost any territorial integrity, so I'm not really getting where the hostility is coming from tbh. Out of curiosity what systems were botted/exploited? Probably a little off the topic but I'm genuinely curious lol

But back to the point, FDEV need to maintain the integrity of the Powerplay system or it will go right back to no-one really interacting with it again besides getting the ship parts. Which would be a massive shame since PP2.0 does seem to be much more interactive than last time. The exploits should be closed off and anyone caught botting should get kicked, no matter what faction does it because fair is fair. And especially the Devs shouldn't be wiping out like 15 systems of one factions work, even if some can see it as karma from some squads shady actions. Since that hardly seems fair to punish the whole group of players off of a few people's actions.

In PP 2?
It was Mullag stonghold which ended at 1.2 million undermining point at mid cycle, with spike of 80k undermining point dropped per system update, rare trading was working at that moment, but even that was not enaugh to defend the system.

As for PP 1, most of the details are there https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/mahon-turmoil.591661/

Some might call it karma, but if you want to look at it that way, some would say that collective punishment is a war crime.

Excuse me but it's not us, nor any others power than your own which selected your lead staff back in the time, that was FUC responssability for having picked someone shaddy enaugh to have 0 issue to use method against the game rules.

 

[Mr.ziPPeR]

No, but I would gladly call it karma, I would have prefered a rollback (not just a ban) when Feds used botting to cause the gigantic Mahon turnmoil in PP 1, and when they used the data duplication glitch in PP 2 (them and every other power which used it), but FDev did not and haven't reverted the destruction they caused.

I would even says that in sense, the creation of Nakato Kaine herself is a creation of the Feds, her extreme hostility towards the Feds taking its root very deeply from the past issue produced by the Feds community, as much than it's the Feds, by there own action which largely contributed to reinforce the bound between the Imperial and Alliance PP community (and BGS wise as well actually).
So yeah, I call it karma, unduced by there own action, and at one point the random Feds player will have to ask to themselves why the vast majority of the other power dislike them...

Funny how you are still salty over a 3 years old operation and throwing false accusations.

The Mahon op was totally legit and might have taught Mahon supporters that scouting their own systems was a good thing to do after all in PP1.

As for Nakato Kaine, considering the amount of ex-imperial CMDRs in it's leadership, it's just another puppet used against the Federation, because all the groups in ZYADA can't fight us on their own, now they even need Frontiers merits eraser to help them.

As we say in french, "à vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire". And the "vaincre" part remains to be seen.

 

[Novarek]

Funny how you are still salty over a 3 years old operation and throwing false accusations.

The Mahon op was totally legit and might have taught Mahon supporters that scouting their own systems was a good thing to do after all in PP1.

As for Nakato Kaine, considering the amount of ex-imperial CMDRs in it's leadership, it's just another puppet used against the Federation, because all the groups in ZYADA can't fight us on their own, now they even need Frontiers merits eraser to help them.

As we say in french, "à vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire". And the "vaincre" part remains to be seen.

The "who you know" (since name and shame is against forums rules) would still be there if the ops was legit.

As for "vaincre" part, caugh Hudgement day ops caugh
And the fact you speak french make me think you perfectly know of who I'm talking about.
As for Nakato, as far as I know most of the few interaction that FUC had with them was from ARRC squadron, if you beleive they are imperial, well you do you.

 

[Intersection]

No, but I would gladly call it karma, I would have prefered a rollback (not just a ban) when Feds used botting to cause the gigantic Mahon turnmoil in PP 1, and when they used the data duplication glitch in PP 2 (them and every other power which used it), but FDev did not and haven't reverted the destruction they caused.

I would even says that in sense, the creation of Nakato Kaine herself is a creation of the Feds, her extreme hostility towards the Feds taking its root very deeply from the past issue produced by the Feds community, as much than it's the Feds, by there own action which largely contributed to reinforce the bound between the Imperial and Alliance PP community (and BGS wise as well actually).
So yeah, I call it karma, unduced by there own action, and at one point the random Feds player will have to ask to themselves why the vast majority of the other power dislike them...

Man, with all due respect, this is vindictive nonsense...

The Mahon turmoil isn't just old powerplay history, it was also entirely legitimate - we have receipts, screenshots of every merit earned and dropped in the op.

Dunno where the other exploit abuse accusation comes from, because we never instructed our CMDRs to use the data duplication glitch.

And we're friendly or cordial with most independent powers? In fact, our situation has gathered a fair amount of sympathy around the circles where it was shared - even with imperial pilots.

If you need to talk about exploit abuse, we've got plenty of evidence of intentional 5c during the Hudson turmoil. But that's all irrelevant now, and I don't want to bring it up any more than this.

Naming and shaming is against forum rules, but so is slinging cheating accusations. Also, it's Christmas... Come on. Merry Christmas to you too.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

and at one point the random Feds player will have to ask to themselves why the vast majority of the other power dislike them

Because the power leadership teams are still stuck in Powerplay 1, for the most part?

Regardless of what happened three years ago, or six years ago, or ten years ago it is straightforwardly the case now that a coalition of more than half the powers in the game including the two largest by player count and the four largest by system count will not be good for the long-term future of Powerplay as a strategic game.

(I was quite happily undermining Winters until I found that most Kaine-supporting groups had no intention of ever attacking any other power; now it just feels unsporting and I've gone elsewhere)

 

[Mr.ziPPeR]

Totally unrelated, Mahon was clean and just a very coordinated action, planned for weeks, against a power that wasn't scouting, simple as that.

Funny that you mention Hudgement day, the op relying on miraculous fortification of bad systems never touched before by an invisible army ? Cough 5C cough

Now that is history, but this magic wipe in the Sol bubble is a very low and disrespectful move from Frontier, we can all agree on that and I would totally say the same if they did that to Empire or Alliance.

 

[Intersection]

I'm also disappointed that every thread remotely discussing powerplay has to turn into pointless bickering about dead powerplay history. I'm pretty sure that's how every casual onlooker sees this stuff.

So I gave my answer, but I'm going to nudge this thread back to what it's supposed to be discussing, which is thargoid-powerplay interaction.

Also, happy holidays to all of you!

 

[Novarek]

Because the power leadership teams are still stuck in Powerplay 1, for the most part?

Regardless of what happened three years ago, or six years ago, or ten years ago it is straightforwardly the case now that a coalition of more than half the powers in the game including the two largest by player count and the four largest by system count will not be good for the long-term future of Powerplay as a strategic game.

(I was quite happily undermining Winters until I found that most Kaine-supporting groups had no intention of ever attacking any other power; now it just feels unsporting and I've gone elsewhere)

Possibly, and the new staff add to carry the legacy of the past, that they want it or not.

As for Kaine her diplomatic choice is very simple and straightforward, one of the founding squadron of her community is ARRC, the Alliance group which have probably the deepest link with others Imperial BGS group du to the BGS war to defend the Marlinist against another BGS coalition they had (1 year BGS war side by side with imp squadron, of course it creat deep relationship), from there it was obvious the direction that Kaine would take, and even without the ex-Zyada coordinator inside, it would have been the same, even if the Feds think the opposite, Kaine would have without a doubt never attacked Zyada as too much Alliance individual CMDR / group are friends with too much imperial individual CMDR / groups.

 

[Novarek]

Totally unrelated, Mahon was clean and just a very coordinated action, planned for weeks, against a power that wasn't scouting, simple as that.

Funny that you mention Hudgement day, the op relying on miraculous fortification of bad systems never touched before by an invisible army ? Cough 5C cough

Now that is history, but this magic wipe in the Sol bubble is a very low and disrespectful move from Frontier, we can all agree on that and I would totally say the same if they did that to Empire or Alliance.

Oh but I'm totaly agree it's an unfair move from FDev, I'm just saying that I won't drop a tear for it.
And as I said previously, if it had happened to Achenar or Alioth, it would have been annoying but not criticaly damaging since no others hostile power could reach them, re-acquisition could be done with no stress and no preasure if it happened.

 

[Mr.ziPPeR]

Oh but I'm totaly agree it's an unfair move from FDev, I'm just saying that I won't drop a tear for it.
And as I said previously, if it had happened to Achenar or Alioth, it would have been annoying but not criticaly damaging since no others hostile power could reach them, re-acquisition could be done with no stress and no preasure if it happened.

Fair enough

 

[[VR] Bulbulunufus]

Because the power leadership teams are still stuck in Powerplay 1, for the most part?

Regardless of what happened three years ago, or six years ago, or ten years ago it is straightforwardly the case now that a coalition of more than half the powers in the game including the two largest by player count and the four largest by system count will not be good for the long-term future of Powerplay as a strategic game.

(I was quite happily undermining Winters until I found that most Kaine-supporting groups had no intention of ever attacking any other power; now it just feels unsporting and I've gone elsewhere)

And to speak up for Winters - we weren't involved in the turmoil of Mahon . We woke up to it and were a bit like "er okay, that's.... interesting! ". We had enough enemies already. Although we didn't project the lows they'd go to for revenge. It opened up some expansion opportunities for us I think as we had Torval launched all over us by Imperial sockpuppeteers back in the mists of time and few expansion possibilities.

 

[shevek]

I don’t know much about the organised groups for powerplay.

Is it he case that the imperial powers and Grom are in ZYADA and they are grouped together to oppose the 2 fed powers, while the two alliance powers get along together and don’t fight any of the other powers?

 

[[VR] Bulbulunufus]

I don’t know much about the organised groups for powerplay.

Is it he case that the imperial powers and Grom are in ZYADA and they are grouped together to oppose the 2 fed powers, while the two alliance powers get along together and don’t fight any of the other powers?

It's more complicated than that, but that is broadly so. Kaine is the new Alliance power only 2 months old but leadership positions are occupied by people who left ZYADA leadership to join Kaine, and by people from the Alliance, all of whom hold grudges against the Federation. Being placed next door to Winters, Kaine has embarked on a campaign against us, hoping for easy victory due to us already being outnumbered in the long-running war against the ZYADA.

 

[Rebel Yell]

It's more complicated than that, but that is broadly so. Kaine is the new Alliance power only 2 months old but leadership positions are occupied by people who left ZYADA leadership to join Kaine, and by people from the Alliance, all of whom hold grudges against the Federation. Being placed next door to Winters, Kaine has embarked on a campaign against us, hoping for easy victory due to us already being outnumbered in the long-running war against the ZYADA.

...for a moment it seemed to read the plot of one of those long lasting tv-series from the 90s, like "Beautiful" or sthing like that.

 

[zimms]

It's more complicated than that, but that is broadly so. Kaine is the new Alliance power only 2 months old but leadership positions are occupied by people who left ZYADA leadership to join Kaine, and by people from the Alliance, all of whom hold grudges against the Federation. Being placed next door to Winters, Kaine has embarked on a campaign against us, hoping for easy victory due to us already being outnumbered in the long-running war against the ZYADA.

It will be interesting to see what PP2 looks like in one or two years. I don't see a lot of reasons for players to not join the winning team. Obviously having more systems in the bubble that give you your special benefits is an advantage. Combat oriented players might choose between Archer and ALD, but ALD is just the straight up better option. Extra bounty bonus on top, bigger player base, less enemies, way better location. The only reason to join Archer is "I kinda like the Federation and completely ignore that in lore he's portrayed like a cartoon villain".

 

[Rebel Yell]

It will be interesting to see what PP2 looks like in one or two years. I don't see a lot of reasons for players to not join the winning team. Obviously having more systems in the bubble that give you your special benefits is an advantage. Combat oriented players might choose between Archer and ALD, but ALD is just the straight up better option. Extra bounty bonus on top, bigger player base, less enemies, way better location. The only reason to join Archer is "I kinda like the Federation and completely ignore that in lore he's portrayed like a cartoon villain".

...if only we had much more systems lol, Delaine's top perk is litterally is the best one!

Aye less enemies for others, mean more targets for us! YARRR!!!!

 

[shevek]

So ZYADA is actually ZYADAN. That sounds like there is not much point to powerplay.

 

[Shadowsnog]

So ZYADA is actually ZYADAN. That sounds like there is not much point to powerplay.

i dont know what do you mean.
federation forward!

 

[Tifu]

So ZYADA is actually ZYADAN. That sounds like there is not much point to powerplay.

Don't take the words said by people in this thread as gospel truth. Look at the PP map, the real situation and the true intent behind the words is all in there.

 

[Ohanka]

Remove Archer from the game.