Solo - Why the need to be online

[Zenicetus]

So what you're saying is that, someone who logs off a game and stops playing for the night is no different to someone who logs off and logs on again in solo mode to get around a problem they can't handle?

You think one of those things is okay and the other isn't, but the game won't tell you which one actually happened. So why does it matter to you? It's the same impact on your bounty hunting career either way.

And the game won't allow it that easily in open space, as I understand it from the DDA's. There will be at least a risk of ship loss when a player logs out in combat.

 

[Hermit]

So basically, you're example is expecting a different game to ED. ED is more like diablo 3 than something like Eve - multi vs solo is simply a gameplay choice. Yes PvP can happen, but not in the persistent way you imagine it unless both players agree to it.

As it states, it was an example.

 

[Joe Spivey]

Because one has finished playing. Now, the hunter may still be waiting for him outside the station, but at least he hasn't used the "workaround" Even if he goes back onto open much later, there's still the chance the hunter might be still there. He probably won't be, but there's still that chance. Whereas going through online solo, he's taken away that possibility.

Nope. The two are exactly the same. It doesn't matter if or when he comes back. The only relevant fact is that he is gone. you and he are no longer in the same space. He has escaped by not being there to play against. I don't no how many more ways I can explain it.

Now then. Next one. How is it different for a player to go to a quiet corner of space where he is not found my any other player (very easy considering the number of systems) than for him to go into the Solo Online mode? Remember in both instances they are still online?

And Finally. How is it unfair for our player to do this, but it isn't unfair for him to spend ten hours online as opposed to another player's two hours?

Wish I could stick around for the answers, but I'm required elsewhere so i'll check back in the morning.

*Highfives Socrates on the way out*

 

[Hermit]

You think one of those things is okay and the other isn't, but the game won't tell you which one actually happened. So why does it matter to you? It's the same impact on your bounty hunting career either way.

Because it has the appearance of being a cheat, an inbuilt workaround for all players to use and one endorsed by FD.

 

[Seonid]

Because it has the appearance of being a cheat, an inbuilt workaround for all players to use and one endorsed by FD.

So a legitimate use of game mechanics is "cheating" to you? Really?

 

[cherbert]

Because it has the appearance of being a cheat

Well its not a cheat and its annoying to keep seeing the word to be honest. This isn't Halo, there is nothing to cheat at. Its an experience for everyone to enjoy in any way they wish against the backdrop of a persistent on-line universe. If someone wants to drop out of combat to go have his or her tea or to slip into Solo mode then that is considered perfectly acceptable by the majority of people.

You could argue that you having 4 more hours a week to play than me is just as much cheating as anything you seem to be claiming to be so.

 

[Hermit]

Nope. The two are exactly the same. It doesn't matter if or when he comes back. The only relevant fact is that he is gone. you and he are no longer in the same space. He has escaped by not being there to play against. I don't no how many more ways I can explain it.

He's escaped by not playing the game, whereas the other has used an obvious workaround to get away from him and continued playing.

Now then. Next one. How is it different for a player to go to a quiet corner of space where he is not found my any other player (very easy considering the number of systems) than for him to go into the Solo Online mode? Remember in both instances they are still online?

Because there is still the chance, however remote that might be, that he might just bump into another player. He's not in the safety of solo, so that risk is still there. And yes, there will be a huge number of systems to do that it once the finished game is here. And that's one of the reasons I find the need for online solo so strange. A player can get themselves lost in it and not bump into another player for ages. So perhaps more should take the risk of choosing open.

And Finally. How is it unfair for our player to do this, but it isn't unfair for him to spend ten hours online as opposed to another player's two hours?

Again I say, these are two different points. I'm discussing gameplay, rather than the time people play. Players can play as long as they like and some will gain more than those who've played less. That's the way it is. More power to them. It's got nothing to do with this. How is using online solo to bypass problems in the game connected to the amount of time they do play?

 

[Hermit]

You could argue that you having 4 more hours a week to play than me is just as much cheating as anything you seem to be claiming to be so.

Weird! Another one that's equating gametime to an obvious game workaround. I don't see how you're both making that connection.

 

[Seonid]

And that's one of the reasons I find the need for online solo so strange.

The fact that you find it strange does not automatically invalidate that style of gameplay does it?

 

[Hermit]

So a legitimate use of game mechanics is "cheating" to you? Really?

Legitimate or not, it can still be perceived by the outsider as being a cheat system.

 

[Seonid]

Legitimate or not, it can still be perceived by the outsider as being a cheat system.

Then that is their problem alone.

 

[Jorlin]

I'm so bored with this...

I AM antisocial (most of the time).
Still i got some friend requests while playing MPonline... most of them people i played PvP against.

When i'm playing solo/online, i'm not doing this because of a "secret cheat mode". I just don't want to play with YOU... and this means every single person in this whole damn galaxy.

as for the "safe mode"... so far i'm not impressed of the difficulty of PvP

 

[Zenicetus]

Because it has the appearance of being a cheat, an inbuilt workaround for all players to use and one endorsed by FD.

I'm still trying to figure out how it has the appearance of a cheat, when FD has declared being docked in a station a safe zone, no matter what mode you're in. You're just P.O.'d that the player in the station won't come out and fight. And there is no way you can force that.

If FD eliminated Solo Online mode, a player in All docked at a station could just as easily log out, and log back in with a chance of getting into a different server instance. Then you disappear. That's functionally the same thing as switching to Solo mode. Forcing everyone into All mode won't prevent this.

In other words, every situation where the game currently allows switching from All to Solo Online mode (and it won't happen in combat AFAIK), is a situation where a player in All mode can just hop servers. So why aren't those players considered cheaters?

It's a game, it's going to work in a certain way. I think you're going to have to get used to the idea of Solo Online mode, because there is no more potential cheating in that mode than any other. Everyone has the same opportunities in this game.

 

[Hermit]

The varied instance argument is a valid one. Yes, they can do that, but even if they log back on to open, there is still a small chance that they'll be thrown back into the same instance. Although, it does concern me that players could try and use that as a workaround as well.

 

[Seonid]

So you would want to remove the Private Group option as well then?

 

[Hermit]

I wouldn't remove any of them. I'd much prefer them to be seperate gameworlds.

 

[cherbert]

Weird! Another one that's equating gametime to an obvious game workaround. I don't see how you're both making that connection.

Because its relevant. If you were running in a egg and spoon race and I was allowed to have a head start would you not consider me to be cheating?

If you have more time to reach Elite than me then that could be considered an unfair game mechanic. But the fact is there is no race to end game - that is not the only goal nor is it a compulsory goal. So therefore there would be no cheating to be done and everyone can do their own thing at their own pace and play the game how they want to play it. You are arguing about something that doesn't exist. There is no race that you are being cheated out of.

I am sure Frontier will implement features similar to EVE Online to discourage logging during PvP. And I am pretty sure you can't go into Solo mode if you are wanted anyway.

I won't be taking part in this debate any further as its doubtful you will change your opinions.

 

[Seonid]

I wouldn't remove any of them. I'd much prefer them to be seperate gameworlds.

Fair enough, as long as you understand it's very unlikely that you will get your wish though.

 

[Hermit]

If you were running in a egg and spoon race and I was allowed to have a head start would you not consider me to be cheating?

Yes I would. However, you're using the wrong example there. A more accurate one for players who play more than others is being in an egg and spoon race and realising that the entrant stood next to you was Usain Bolt. He has the advantage because he's more athletic (more practice, more training, more time than you). He's not cheating, he's just better prepared.

What he's doing in an egg and spoon race, I've no idea. He's let his standards drop in recent years.

 

[KickahasTier]

It is better if they remove solo mode. Meeting people while traveling make me feel great.

The naivete is endearing.