IMHO they should have made a complete reboot, maybe start with a Old Republic story or with Asoka Thano, maybe even the Yuuzhan Vong.
Tbh, the cynic in me just waits for a Frozen-Star Wars crossover with Elsa as a Sith on Hoth.
I really think that Disney lacks a vision about what they want to do with the franchise and maybe we'll have seen the start of SW's slow and agonizing death.
 
Finn - on the other hand - Boyega is a good actor. Finn also has a (potentially) interesting story to tell. The stormtrooper who rebelled. The stormtrooper who fought back.

At least until the elite stormtrooper, part of Kylos personal unit, was written in as comedy relief as a janitor. A janitor who somehow knows about every super weapon and top secret piece of equipment the Empire...sorry - First order has developed.

Did you ever see that episode of The Simpsons where Homer changes his name to "Max Power"?

There's a new cop show on the TV and the hero is a Miami-Vice style cop named Homer Simpson.
Homer is very happy about this 'cos everybody suddenly decides he must be cool if he's called "Homer Simpson", just like the super-duper cop on the TV show.

Then the TV show producers decide to re-write the character and turn the cop into a bumbling idiot.
This results in everybody mocking Homer, suggesting he's just like his namesake in the TV show.
As a result of this, Homer ends up changing his name to "Max Power" and having many amusing adventures.

But, erm, yeah.

I bet if John Boyega watches The Simpsons, he must know exactly how Homer feels in that episode. [where is it]
 

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Not at all mate. As usual, both sides of the argument are overreacting to a subplot that's no worse than spartacus and involves a lot of tenuous dot connecting.

If you liked Rogue One, I'd suggest you'll enjoy it.

Thanks, Goose. Then I'll check it out (I really enjoyed Rogue One).
 
No, will not watch it again. Dreadful giant squid with teeth chasing through space???
Could have been so much better as a proper heist movie, but no, it had to follow the SW formula.
TLJ and Rogue One were much better.

D+ significant improvement needed.
 

Goose4291

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Don't click if you haven't seen the movie. Seriously.

I found L337 to be incredibly annoying for a variety of reasons.
Sure, it was an "SJW droid" and that was kind of daft but that wasn't my main problem.

The big problem I had was that neither Han or L337 showed any particular affection for each other during the movie but then, after L337 gets downloaded into the Falcon, we're supposed to accept that THE single most iconic vehicle in all of sci-fi is actually some kind of bolshie SJW ship which Han spends decades lovingly maintaining despite the fact there's no indication, in the movie, that they ever really had any affinity for each other?

If you're ever read Jeremy Clarkson's book "I know You Got Soul", and agree with it's premise (it's a book suggesting that certain things such as The Space Shuttle, Concorde, the Spitfire and the Millennium Falcon transcend being mere machines), then you might understand why that hacks me off.

A generation of kids who grew up with posters of the Lamborghini Countach and/or the F14 Tomcat on their bedroom wall probably feel a similar way about the Millennium Falcon too.
What they've done, in Solo, is subvert all those people's preconceptions about that ship by saying "Ha! it's actually a whiney SJW that you've been in awe of all those years!"

So, yeah.
I cheered when L337 got blown up but it saddens me to think it became the Falcon's "brain".

Well I suppose thats how you looked at it.

I just thought she was purely the Nav computer, not the whole ship, which kind of ties in with what 3PO says about the Nav comp in Empire.

And I get what you mean, I have a similar affection for the Falcon. If I'd interpreted it like you did, I might have felt the same way.

Was good to see Han shoot first again, though
 

Goose4291

Banned
IMHO they should have made a complete reboot, maybe start with a Old Republic story or with Asoka Thano, maybe even the Yuuzhan Vong.
Tbh, the cynic in me just waits for a Frozen-Star Wars crossover with Elsa as a Sith on Hoth.
I really think that Disney lacks a vision about what they want to do with the franchise and maybe we'll have seen the start of SW's slow and agonizing death.

Oh god no. Those Vong books for me ruined the EU.

I'd agree however if you suggested the three original Timothy Zahn books split into two films apiece.
 
i just watched it and really enjoyed it. Lot better than i was expecting with some interesting twists and turns in it.

It had its cheesy bits as do all the star wars films, but i left the pictures having been entertained, and thats what for me star wars is about.

I think some of the negativity is because Star Wars has become politicised by both the left and the right. As such rather than being your Saturday Matinee fun film, the franchises are now battlegrounds between alt right and SJW fanatics who are taking the smallest details and trying to paint an agenda with it.

All i saw was a film in which the main characters chose their path in how they rebelled in order to survive.
 
the franchises are now battlegrounds between alt right and SJW fanatics who are taking the smallest details and trying to paint an agenda with it.

Yeah in this particular case it is 'revenge' from the alt-right crowd because of a number of things that a lady exec at disney did or said. She wore a t-shirt with the words 'the force is now female' (in reference to the Daisy Ridley char who is like a women) and said something about certain men not being welcome or something.

I suspect a lot was taken out of context to feed rage, and it is very hard (and rather distasteful) to follow the alt-right logic on all this but i have seen men (boys whatever) saying they are boycotting Solo and other Disney Star Wars films until that lady is fired and Star Wars goes back to being that great war-mongering franchise we all know and love where the Empire runs amok killing entire planets and crushing the stupid rebels (i don't think they understood the original trilogy or what Star Wars is actually about?).

I probably would not love Solo because it is a modern Star Wars film (so not even close to the original stuff), but i have heard it is one of the better modern films, a decent romp in it's own way with less of the confused mess of the other new films so far. I might pick it up on DVD one day?
 
'Report: Lucasfilm puts Obi-Wan film “on hold” after underwhelming Solo debut':

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...-film-on-hold-after-underwhelming-solo-debut/

The film news and reviews site Collider posted an exclusive report on Wednesday concerning the fate of future Star Wars films—and in particular, a long-rumored, not-yet-announced film focused on the classic character Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Citing "sources with knowledge of the situation," Collider confirmed that all pre-production for Lucasfilm's unnamed Obi-Wan "Star Wars Story" film is now "on hold." Every contributor attached to that film's pre-production process is "no longer involved," the site adds, and any other Star Wars Story film projects are currently "on hiatus." That includes a rumored Boba Fett film, which Collider reports was not as far along in a pre-production process as the Obi-Wan film was.
 
Solo is far better than TLJ.

That's not much of an accomplishment. The entire movie revolves around a Mary Sue.

My issues with solo was the disregard for the source material, character re-writes for no good reason. Chewie is some "pit" monster who apparently needed Han figure out how to escape. Really? Even the name "Solo" sure disregard the established character's history but you could have just left it alone.

The whole "whats your name? Oh you don't have a last name, oh your by your self I guess your "Solo"" scene was sooo ...bad...
 

Jex =TE=

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Yep TLJ and Solo both massively flopped as Star Wars fans push back against the rubbish Disney are producing - so the Empire move stuff around on trains now, do they? A 16 year old girl is super tough? Lando is in love with his droid????

There are some people who'll like any movie and disregard what it means to be a Star Wars film.
 
There are some people who'll like any movie and disregard what it means to be a Star Wars film.

And there are some people that were ok enough the prequels that this is where we ended up. Once you start that slippery dive to common bottom denominator stuff the bottom can arrive so hard and fast it hits you in the face :)

The crying shame of all this is the EXACT same thing happened to Star Trek with the New Star Trek reboot, it is ALL part of the same pattern about lack of concern for the 'art' of a loved franchise by those making it, and the wider disinterest from the public when it happens. If we support crud, crud is all we get. And lots of people love crud it would seem, which is a wider topic about falling education standards and social degradation etc.

RIP Star Wars (after the original trilogy). RIP the world in the wider context of what this says about us.
 
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When I was a prepubescent teenager I saw the original Star Wars when it was first released. I loved it. I devoured it. I was a fan.

I still am but I have grown up and see it for what it is.

I am, therefore, able to enjoy all the new films without getting my bra in a bundle.

Maturity ftw.
 
When I was a prepubescent teenager I saw the original Star Wars when it was first released. I loved it. I devoured it. I was a fan.

I still am but I have grown up and see it for what it is.

I am, therefore, able to enjoy all the new films without getting my bra in a bundle.

Maturity ftw.

I don't think i saw any 'maturity' in any of the prequels or TFA? Just terrible script writing, bad acting (uninteresting characters), face-palm levels of 'fan-service', and ultimately forgettable story lines. There were decent explosions though, i remember some of those.......

Obviously we have different tastes.

New Star Wars is it's own thing (like New Star Trek, and by the same director mostly), but the prequels sort of made it clear that Lucas had lost his mojo (on many levels). The visuals were great though (if a little jarring in comparison to the 'world' look we saw in the originals).

This is a nice short watch on some of what i talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU30obwiqvA

Anyway after TFA i'm unlikely to want to watch any more (might pick up Solo later) as i don't wish too damage the original films any more than they have been already via the prequels. YMMV.
 
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I don't think i saw any 'maturity' in any of the prequels or TFA? .

You misunderstand me. I am referring to my maturity. Not the films.

As I have said before, the films are for older children.

I have always loved the original trilogy because I was the right age when I watched them.

However I was old enough to see that the "great" plot twists that Luke is actually related to two of the central characters is the naffest idea in any of them. I can't tell you how much it annoys me that in a galaxy full of billions of people , the story is so incestuous.
 
Oh, that does not bother me at all, and is the first time i've thought about it as a 'thing' that might be considered a negative. Sometimes 'coincidences' happen (and many books and films use that vehicle to impart relevance and importance to their story).

Hmmm. Probably because the films are competently acted, with strong direction and editing that the story just feels natural and flows? But yeah, never had an issue with Vader being Luke and Leia's Father, it's just part of the 'set up' that has a pay off over the longer arc of the story.

But i also have to reject the weight of one being the 'right age' at a point in time to enjoy it to it's fullest. As i've mentioned in detail in discussion with Stigbob, while that has an element of relevance you have the bigger weight on if a film is 'actually' (as in can be judged) a 'good' film or just a 'bad' film. The whole Citizen Kane aspect. This is a completely ageless metric that spans any part of film industry and is how films are rated as all time classics (like Citizen Kane) or just throw-away rubbish (like maybe B movies, or in the case of Star Wars, the Prequels and New Star Wars ;) ).

This is a 'standard' that many things are judged by to get a rough 'best of' ranking. In games i rank the original X-Com very highly, for example (and it is critically respected in the history of games), while CivIV is my favourite Civ game (despite Civ 1+2 being more of the era when i was a heavy gamer).

Or cars; I loved an old mini cooper (before my time) as a 'fun' ride more than many cars from my era (18-30ish). I also love my new Fiesta eco-boost which is a model a few years old (and won critical acclaim in the wider industry).

All these kind of metrics on the 'worth' of something have little to zero bearing on how old you were when you first watched/played/drove it etc. They are 'good' films/games/cars in a more widely regarded sense.

If somehow i could have my memories completely wiped of Star Wars and sat down to watch all the films again, i'd give my self very high odds of picking the original trilogy as the series 'high point'. They are just measurably better films (Scripts, acting, direction, editing, story, interesting characters etc).

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To drag this back on track (i can get easily sidetracked in ANY Star wars discussion), it is slightly ironic that while Solo is unlikely to be my cup of tea (in what I would like to see done in a Solo film), i can accept that out of all the New Star Wars era stuff (TFA to Solo) it might not be the 'worst' film so far.

Still this is New Star Wars and it sits around the level of the prequels in terms of relative Star Wars 'goodness'. After TFA i have very little desire to see any more of them, BUT i might get Solo on DVD sometime (if i can find it super cheap).

The main issue is the principle actor while not bad just does not look or 'feel' like an actual young Han Solo to me, and that is a BIG part of what any Solo (or origin) film has to nail 100% right. It's the whole issue of doing any origin story arc after an older film really.
 
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Any adult who watched them all now without ever having seen them before would judge them differently to you and I. I guarantee it.
 
It would be an interesting experiment, difficult to set up in truth :)

But like i said, the 'Citizen Kane' effect is what i'm mostly interested in in relation to this topic, my personal experience (which is 'age locked') is not enough to pass a critical judgement that is worth much.
 
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