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Some ex-specialist, who was involved with dealing with the Sars, said it should not live for more than 30 minutes.
Which on a public toilet door handle, is about 15 to 30 people, making contact.
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Yep, remember to wash your hands after going outside these days. Also on any other day, but especially these days 
Maybe I should use this opportunity to remind everybody that the dirtiest thing we come into daily contact with is not a toilet door handle, nor a toilet floor nor any other such thing we usually associate with germs. No, it's money.Yep, remember to wash your hands after going outside these days. Also on any other day, but especially these days
I wonder how many people are taking this seriously enough to lay in supplies and potentially bunker up? I live in a pretty secluded area, but an emergency plan and policy is now in place. I'll be watching events unfold very carefully over the next few days, ready to retreat behind the castle walls and pull up the drawbridge at a moment's notice.
It's really funny (well, kind of. To me. I'm weird). Where I live, 14 people died of ordinary flu in January. 6 people died in car accidents and 7 died of lung cancer. Nobody's talking baout that. Everybody's talking about one Corona-infected individual 800 miles away who DIDN'T DIE and saying "that's awfully close".
I don't know. I'm probably weird like I said...
So you would be in the demographic not taking it seriously enough to prepare I take it? Generally I prefer to look at the big picture, too, and point out statistics as you are doing here. This appears to be different, though, and somewhat breaking all the rules we've come to expect the world to operate by. The rapidity of the spread, spreading it for weeks during the incubation period, this means that it's going to effect you/us in a way that ordinary flu, car accidents and lung cancer never could. Add to that the ominous stories that indicate you can count on pneumonia with it and require serious medical care to be a part of the (so far) 2% mortality rate means that if true by the time this thing goes truly global, you probably won't be able to get within a mile of a hospital from overcrowding, and then what will mortality rates look like? Factor in panic that leads to civil unrest which leads to civil disobedience and a breakdown in basic (taken for granted) services that we depend on on a daily basis and the crisis grows exponentially.
I hope that I'm wrong, I truly do, but my instincts are telling me that this could very well be a genuine emergency that effect all of us in a way that are soft, cushy entitled lifestyles of the last 5 decades or more have done little to prepare us for. No amount of screeching for pronoun usages, lobbying for letting men use the ladies restroom because they identify as a woman, no anti-declawing our cats laws are going to prepare us for a pandemic. All you have to do is look at the stories and images emerging from Wuhan and superimpose them on your own area to get the idea; this isn't the flu.
We don't know how quickly it's spreading, though. We know how many cases emerged since the time China announced it. For all we know it could have been going for much longer before.
The incubation period seems to be only 3-5 days so from this perspective, they can introduce much more effective quarantines than against an illness that has an incubation period of weeks.
Of course I do recognize the danger. The most important one is that the asymptomatic individuals can be carriers. And I also count with the inherent crappiness of human character (there have already been cases of people intentionally spreading the virus. I guess some sort of "If I'm going to die I'm gonna take as many people with me as possible" mentality)
BUT. I also refuse to panic and I am not planning on introducing any drastic counter-measures into my life because of this. And I'm deffinitely not stockpiling rations and isolating myself.
I work with people. I've accepted risks coming with day to day human contact.
The only thing I will do if I feel I'm coming down with a cold (like I do every spring), instead of simply staying in bed for a week, I'm going to visit the hospital and have me tested.
Me thinks, that you are going a little over the top. Most winter flu bugs have about a 2% mortality rate. The old, the weak, are dying off, due to common flu bugs, each and every day. No one is talking about 'pulling up the draw bridges'; simply because it is just another cold. However: At the same time. In every doctor's surgery, pharmacy and chemist; each and every winter. You will see signs, asking, 'have you had your flu jab?' So the risks, are already there, this is just a new, unknown form of flu.
Now if you were talking something like Ebola, 70 to 80% mortality rate. I would be stealing a yacht, stocking it up as best I could and park myself, 10 miles from everywhere.
I don't advocate panicking, and I don't consider "preparing" in any way related. I will say this, though, about panic and fear: that's easy to say that right now, but if you could picture your city looking like Wuhan, that would be an entirely different story. At the end of the day I have a family to protect, and if that means pulling up the drawbridge for a few weeks and taking a few sensible precautions, that's easily and painlessly enough done. My business can easily be tailored over the next 8 weeks or so to drastically limit human contact, and my kids are home schooled so curtailing their social lives would have little to no impact on our current schedule.
Don't get me wrong, either: my fingers are crossed that I'm way way WAY wrong here and that we're all having a chuckle at my expense in a few months. I don't believe in supernatural beings, but I'd be praying for that if I did.
Don't get me wrong, either: my fingers are crossed that I'm way way WAY wrong here and that we're all having a chuckle at my expense in a few months. I don't believe in supernatural beings, but I'd be praying for that if I did.
And phone screens.
True, although at least most germs on your phone screen are actually yours.
And other specialists have said that an infected person can transmit the virus to 2-4 other people.
And if possible, avoid the public toilets.Yep, remember to wash your hands after going outside these days. Also on any other day, but especially these days
Money is responsible for many ills on this planet.
I suspect that global warming is favoring the emergence of new viruses.
Because the winters are less harsh in many places on the planet and the parasites don't have time to be killed by the intense cold.
In my region, it is currently 12°/15° when it should normally be -5°/-10°
Because the winters are less harsh in many places on the planet and the parasites don't have time to be killed by the intense cold.
In my region, it is currently 12°/15° when it should normally be -5°/-10°
because that's not really "news".
also, context: the 11s attacks killed far less people than most trivial death causes in a day, yet were on the headlines for months and changed the world forever, killing millions more in the aftermath.
there is a lot of uncertainty still. i have no reason to doubt the 2% mortality rate given out by reputed folks, but having checked the data for more than a week now, for the life of me i can't fathom where that figure comes from, imo it's still too early for such an assessment with the data publicly at hand. infection rate is abnormally high and the virus is expected to mutate a lot. and it has already spread across most of the world. now over 50 million people are locked in ghost cities with empty streets, borders have been closed, travel and flight bans have been enacted abroad and cancellations are piling up, economic contraction is already noticeable. it might end up being just another flu, but we don't know yet.
panic? nope. concern.
The travel bans are a little odd, we have fairly regular superbug panics every few years but borders slamming shut the way they are currently is unprecedented IIRC.
The Lancet's model estimates that more than 75 thousand are infected now in Wuhan. These are math estimates. They may be wrong. Since some of the infected may be unsymptomatic, it could be actually higher than the calculated number, based on skewed data as symptomless people do not generally get tested.
Russia has closed the border. US flights to China are now restricted. This is good, but IMHO, too late. We have a China travel ban here too, for what it may be worth.
I'm hoping that most of the people who get sick just have a brief mild run. The vaccine will be available only after we're all already dead or immune. Likely the latter!
We stocked non perishable food and other supplies yesterday, in case of shortages.
Russia has closed the border. US flights to China are now restricted. This is good, but IMHO, too late. We have a China travel ban here too, for what it may be worth.
I'm hoping that most of the people who get sick just have a brief mild run. The vaccine will be available only after we're all already dead or immune. Likely the latter!
We stocked non perishable food and other supplies yesterday, in case of shortages.
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