Indeed, but they will end up alone, and with nothing to do quite quickly.
Some people dont 'get' it.
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Indeed, but they will end up alone, and with nothing to do quite quickly.
Not the best analogy, and not a CoD player myself, but wouldn't taking that same idea of going out and shooting everything in sight also not work there? At some point in games that have a bit of complexity to them, you have to do more than just spam the fire button, you have to think about what you're doing.
All the more reason to start new players off in secure station areas, so idiots like that don't get very far nor do they pose more than a temporary threat to other newbie players. More of a warning that there is a security force there.
I do want to say one thing in defense of the people "not getting it." If all I saw were the trailers, I wouldn't get it either. The way Frontier tends to present the game in advertising gives very much the impression that it is more action and PVP oriented.
Hell, that's exactly the impression I had of the game at first, and why I had so little interest in the game before. Elite is an old franchise, and there are many people unfamiliar with it. It has been nearly 20 years since the last title was released. Add in that in places like the U.S., it was basically unheard of outside a certain niche even at the time, just take a look at the demographic distribution of the forums if you don't believe me. So you can't rely on people automatically knowing what Elite is all about any more, especially outside of the U.K. People see that "pirate" trailer, and it looks very much like an online PVP action game.
I had little interest in Dangerous as a result, and if I hadn't received a copy, I probably wouldn't have ever bought it. It wasn't until I started playing that I found out how wrong I was, and the game is actually everything I have ever wanted. The flip side is I feel there are going to be a lot of people with the opposite reaction; we already see it all the time on the forums.
You can't expect people to hear something about it on a forum, or from a friend, or stumble on the trailer and then sit down and start watching all the KS videos and reading DDF forums. People buy things based on advertising. That is, after all, why advertising exists.
Now, take someone younger than say 25, living in the U.S. who has little to no notion of what Elite really is. They see a trailer and it looks like maybe a way to get their Star Citizen fix early, and they jump on board. I'm an American in my 30's, who loves space sims, and I wasn't completely sure what I was getting into. Let alone a teenager who has better things to do than deeply research a franchise they've never heard of giving it a shot because they have friends hyping up Star Citizen and the trailers show a bunch of "pew pew" fun.
There is going to be a lot more of this after launch, and I'm afraid there will be many upset, disappointed people on the forums. Better start getting used to it.
Hell, that's exactly the impression I had of the game at first, and why I had so little interest in the game before. Elite is an old franchise, and there are many people unfamiliar with it. It has been nearly 20 years since the last title was released. Add in that in places like the U.S., it was basically unheard of outside a certain niche even at the time, just take a look at the demographic distribution of the forums if you don't believe me. So you can't rely on people automatically knowing what Elite is all about any more, especially outside of the U.K. People see that "pirate" trailer, and it looks very much like an online PVP action game.
I had little interest in Dangerous as a result, and if I hadn't received a copy, I probably wouldn't have ever bought it. It wasn't until I started playing that I found out how wrong I was, and the game is actually everything I have ever wanted. The flip side is I feel there are going to be a lot of people with the opposite reaction; we already see it all the time on the forums.
You can't expect people to hear something about it on a forum, or from a friend, or stumble on the trailer and then sit down and start watching all the KS videos and reading DDF forums. People buy things based on advertising. That is, after all, why advertising exists.
Now, take someone younger than say 25, living in the U.S. who has little to no notion of what Elite really is. They see a trailer and it looks like maybe a way to get their Star Citizen fix early, and they jump on board. I'm an American in my 30's, who loves space sims, and I wasn't completely sure what I was getting into. Let alone a teenager who has better things to do than deeply research a franchise they've never heard of giving it a shot because they have friends hyping up Star Citizen and the trailers show a bunch of "pew pew" fun.
There is going to be a lot more of this after launch, and I'm afraid there will be many upset, disappointed people on the forums. Better start getting used to it.
You don't "get" it (j/k)
Reread the opening post,
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thebullfrog
Right, you "got" it.
good points Thebullfrog (as usual) but at launch could we all not go solo build up to the basics we need and head out quickly to the less well known areas?
Then pop back in to sane space and even group up if we like so i think we may be able to weather the storm if we play it patient.
This assumes of course that the solo and open frame work remains interchangeable at will.
Then pop back in to sane space and even group up if we like so i think we may be able to weather the storm if we play it patient.
This assumes of course that the solo and open frame work remains interchangeable at will.
This will either be an online nuisance short after release of the full game, but not for long.
I can think of people just buying the game and doing that, but I wonder if just doing that will enable you to buy a decent ship to kill human players with. Try doing that mindless stuff in a basic Sidey facing an Eliteer from 1980 who knows what he's doing in a Cobra, and you will see the error of your ways pretty quickly along with an extra bounty on your head. Maniacs are found and killed by solitary gamers, and if they really start being a nuisance the guys name will soon be on the boards to take him down a couple of times. These are also people that will not benefit from the half insurance pay deal neither.
So no worries, let them do their stuff and when you get killed by them, remember their name, take a few friends or an anaconda like "War Essence" and ram them. Go after them and ram them again day after day. They will soon get the point, reset their save, change their name and play it differently. Or become that supermaniac with the same tools, but then he's really roleplaying and that is fine by me.
I can think of people just buying the game and doing that, but I wonder if just doing that will enable you to buy a decent ship to kill human players with. Try doing that mindless stuff in a basic Sidey facing an Eliteer from 1980 who knows what he's doing in a Cobra, and you will see the error of your ways pretty quickly along with an extra bounty on your head. Maniacs are found and killed by solitary gamers, and if they really start being a nuisance the guys name will soon be on the boards to take him down a couple of times. These are also people that will not benefit from the half insurance pay deal neither.
So no worries, let them do their stuff and when you get killed by them, remember their name, take a few friends or an anaconda like "War Essence" and ram them. Go after them and ram them again day after day. They will soon get the point, reset their save, change their name and play it differently. Or become that supermaniac with the same tools, but then he's really roleplaying and that is fine by me.
Just wait till player interdictions are introduced.
PVP is relatively difficult at the moment outside of consenting combatants and surprise attacks.
I remember the good old days in Prem beta where you always found a scrap at the fed distress signal.
What you shouldn't do though is tell people how to play, if the rules of the game allow it then it's part of the game. Single player and private groups might better suit some players who don't like PVP.
PVP is relatively difficult at the moment outside of consenting combatants and surprise attacks.
I remember the good old days in Prem beta where you always found a scrap at the fed distress signal.
What you shouldn't do though is tell people how to play, if the rules of the game allow it then it's part of the game. Single player and private groups might better suit some players who don't like PVP.
Thats the good thing about this game, there is no right or wrong way to play it.
You are in control.
You live your life in the universe.
Avoid conflict
Engage in conflict
Be a murdering psychopath for no reason other than the fun of it.
Its up to you.
Either abide by the law
Or break the law and then face the consequences.
Your right though some people dont get it, otherwise everytime they were attacked when they didnt want it they wouldnt be crying griefer all the time.
Alot of people think the only time they should be involved in combat is when they initiate it or do something to deserve it. Those people who use the ignore button. They just dont get it. and Probably never will.
You are in control.
You live your life in the universe.
Avoid conflict
Engage in conflict
Be a murdering psychopath for no reason other than the fun of it.
Its up to you.
Either abide by the law
Or break the law and then face the consequences.
Your right though some people dont get it, otherwise everytime they were attacked when they didnt want it they wouldnt be crying griefer all the time.
Alot of people think the only time they should be involved in combat is when they initiate it or do something to deserve it. Those people who use the ignore button. They just dont get it. and Probably never will.
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Blowing things up makes tha gud youtubez vidjyas.
I imagine if you go and look at other games on his channel you'll find similar videos, and comments approving of that content. He's just pandering like anyone else trying to make money out of that medium.
I imagine if you go and look at other games on his channel you'll find similar videos, and comments approving of that content. He's just pandering like anyone else trying to make money out of that medium.
what part is he "not getting"?
One of the basic tenets of ED is that you can play it how you want. If he wants to shoot at anything and everything that moves then why not? His playstyle is just as valid as the trader, the mission runner, the bounty hunter etc.
Anyone who plays in the open world on release had better get used to the fact that you will meet the whole spectrum of player types. If they cannot handle that then it is group play or solo.
At least a player has an option to play solo for a little while to avoid such players in the more popular systems.
One of the basic tenets of ED is that you can play it how you want. If he wants to shoot at anything and everything that moves then why not? His playstyle is just as valid as the trader, the mission runner, the bounty hunter etc.
Anyone who plays in the open world on release had better get used to the fact that you will meet the whole spectrum of player types. If they cannot handle that then it is group play or solo.
At least a player has an option to play solo for a little while to avoid such players in the more popular systems.
In the original elite who didnt launch, turn around then open fire on the spacestation blowing up every thing that moves, using a piece of paper to count how many vipers you could drop before you had to get the hell out of there?
Big fat zero.
Just saying.
Elite is what you make of it. That is what elites about.
Big fat zero.
Just saying.
Elite is what you make of it. That is what elites about.
Oh, the playing style police has been patrolling youtube!
Well, I think it's clear what this player "gets": That he can do whatever the food cartridge he pleases in this game.
Well, I think it's clear what this player "gets": That he can do whatever the food cartridge he pleases in this game.
Here's the upside, as I see it. This is an allowed behavior in some areas like Anarchy systems, as it should be. That's fine, and maybe necessary to keep those systems feeling Dangerous (well, until someone with a better-equipped ship and more skill comes along).
The "kill anything that moves" crowd will get their money's worth like they do in any AAA shooter for a few weeks or months. And then they'll get bored and move on to the next game, when they find out that there is no actual leveling-up or progress related to that activity.
Every person who buys the game without figuring out what it's actually about, and bails out for something else, is just more money for FD to develop the game they've been aiming for. I'm all for it.
The "kill anything that moves" crowd will get their money's worth like they do in any AAA shooter for a few weeks or months. And then they'll get bored and move on to the next game, when they find out that there is no actual leveling-up or progress related to that activity.
Every person who buys the game without figuring out what it's actually about, and bails out for something else, is just more money for FD to develop the game they've been aiming for. I'm all for it.
I didn't have access to my PC most of the weekend so I've been watching a heap of youtube videos on Elite and most of them are really good indeed but one in particular stuck me is odd.
I won't link it because I know naming and shaming is an offence here and I'm not sure if that applies to commanders named in videos but I'd rather be safe than sorry
anyway I watched this guy for half an hour, he very rather erratic and didn't seem to like docking and wasn't a trader and didn't do missions. for all that time all he did was attack anyone and everyone around him. Whether they were wanted or clean, that didn't matter. NPC or Cmdr, that didn't matter.
it was just attack attack attack and move from one target(victim?) to the next as fast as possible. Now I'm probably going to get a heap of flak for this but in my opinion this guy simple doesn't 'get' Elite. as he was treating it as purely a shooter and his attitude and comments seemed to reinforce that.
Do some people need educating and telling 'Hey man, its not just a 'kill everything fast' game? (btw I know some people play the role of pirate in game and I'm fine with that but this wasn't that)
The education begins with this statement: 'Ultimate Freedom', 'Play it Your Way'. Doesn't get it? Funny, I think he probably did. In ALL the previous games the ENTIRE ranking system was based upon mass murder. I know its been watered down in this game so now we can have Elite miners or traders (wth?) but Elite at its core was combat. QED..
Now we might wish to understand why people feel the desire to attack other players. Well, let me make a few observations. The NPCs are tedious to engage( although better since Beta2), its meaningless, no connection or relevance whatsoever. I may as well be in the forest killing spiders ad infinitum. In short, its boring and meaningless as it stands. And its pretty much been that way ever since the game was released in Alpha.
So given thats the case, can you really blame people for shooting at players? As wonderful as the game is looking there is a huge black hole in terms of engaging gameplay and I really do hope that is filled in the next 10 weeks before the game is released because otherwise I can see people leaving in droves due to boredom, bar the people at the old folks home.
So when you say some people don't get it. You're right, they don't.
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