Space Scum

CMDR Aden Majes · Apr 18, 2015

I only started playing about 4 days ago.
Game really started to pick up once I earned enough creds to buy a Viper and upgrade the Frameshift drive so I could explore some more of the galaxy.
Was having a great day today, even ranked up to Cadet in the Federation.

And then I get interdicted by a CMDR piloted Vulture.

Now I fly clean, pay of my fines, hell I don't even accept missions from bulletin if they look shady. So I have no bounty and no cargo when I'm interdicted.

Vulture doesn't seem to care and destroys me in seconds, forcing me to take a loan to re-buy my Viper since I had recently upgraded a component but would've been back above rebuy costs after completing the mission I was on.

Needless to say it left an awful taste in my mouth, so I doubt I'll be returning to open play anytime soon.
Griefers (or whatever other fun name we're going to call them instead) are a blight on the stars.

puca · Apr 18, 2015

Sorry that happened, CMDR. Playing in open demands a bigger money cushion because of stuff like this. Some people only play solo or in PvE groups like Mobius for this reason. Some people like the extra danger. Fortunately Elite caters to most types of players.

777Driver · Apr 18, 2015

In all honesty mate I find it hard to consider that griefing. You are flying a Combat ship, if you where in a freighter......

Just put it down to the learning curve, or if you can't handle it fly in SOLO or Group mode.

Danube · Apr 18, 2015

Oh dear, here we go again.... Being blown up ONCE by someone is not "griefing". Several times, yes, once, no. It's not nice, I agree, though. Still, the solution is don't play Open if it's a big issue to you.

I know where this thread is headed, so I'll leave it here.

Globusdiablo · Apr 18, 2015

CMDR Aden Majes said:
....And then I get interdicted by a CMDR piloted Vulture.

Now I fly clean, pay of my fines, hell I don't even accept missions from bulletin if they look shady. So I have no bounty and no cargo when I'm interdicted.

Vulture doesn't seem to care and destroys me in seconds, forcing me to take a loan to re-buy my Viper since I had recently upgraded a component but would've been back above rebuy costs after completing the mission I was on.....

Welcome to Open mode.

Feel free to check out the awesome PvE group with over 7100 commanders:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38362&p=720344&viewfull=1#post720344

Midian Cabal · Apr 18, 2015

Looks like you haven't seen this movie.

[video=youtube;rWPTbB_feNE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWPTbB_feNE[/video]

Jackie Silver · Apr 18, 2015

Danube said:
Oh dear, here we go again.... Being blown up ONCE by someone is not "griefing".

And here we go again: it could be, if the CMDR doing the blowing up is repeatedly targeting random people.

It's a perennial problem: one person's reasoned roleplay (not griefing) appears identical to another person's psychotic roleplay (griefing disguised as roleplay "because I want to blow things up I'll say I play a psychopath, aren't I clever!") excuse appears identical to another's "let's blow people up for the lulz" (griefing.)

There are plenty of circumstances where someone could, acting fully in-character and not pretending to play a psycho, go on a killing spree of randoms, so we can't say one way or the other based on the example given. If we knew that CMDR was targeting randoms sequentially (ed) without a reason, it'd be griefing. If they were using unreasoned roleplay as an excuse it'd be griefing. Otherwise not.

Scal · Apr 18, 2015

Bad luck commander, sorry for your loss. It's a dangerous galaxy.

On the plus side, it's a big Galaxy as well- very easy to avoid pirates and psychos if you want to. I think I have only been dicted by other players 3 or 4 times since launch, and they have all been 'good' RP pirates, who added to my game. Sounds like you were quite unlucky.

Fly safe commander.

magot · Apr 18, 2015

stuff like this happens , but in time you will learn how to avoid players in bigger ship than yourself ( f.e. usually you are faster than them ) and how to defend yourself from an attack ( f.e. counterattack is best defense - they think you ll run when they interdict you but if you turn around and start shooting it will be a shock to them which you can use to destroy them ). dont be hiding and crying in solo mode , go out there and learn from mistakes on your way to elite pilot !

just don t turn around and shot at ship that costs 100 times more than yours

until you re in such a ship

bamber · Apr 18, 2015

an asthmatic ant in a wheel chair can run away from a vulture - know when to fight and when to run

Jackie Silver · Apr 18, 2015

To expand: suppose I don't like the owners of a particular station - George Lucas, let's say. I want that station's controlling faction to suffer. I could cold-bloodedly interdict and boil ships arriving at that station to prevent missions being carried out there. Not griefing, just not very nice, very much within the spirit of the game.

If, on the other hand, I bought myself a Vulture, loaded it with shield boosters and went on a ramming spree because I like seeing other CMDRs explode, or went out interdicting and killing random people just because I fancy myself as CMDR Bloadsoaked McMurderfiend... you get the idea. Not in the spirit of the game.

There are, of course, many people who don't give two hoots about the spirit of anything. ^^

CMDR NightsLong · Apr 18, 2015

Is it so hard not to have enough credits for insurance..Bad luck but even so never undock without enough insurance

Commander Dini · Apr 18, 2015

OP: Please think of it as being just like some sophisticated AI. This is a game. You sometimes die.

OillyRag · Apr 18, 2015

CMDR Aden Majes said:
eedless to say it left an awful taste in my mouth, so I doubt I'll be returning to open play anytime soon.
Griefers (or whatever other fun name we're going to call them instead) are a blight on the stars.

That would be a shame .... your giving up just as the game seems to be coming alive.

There are idiots everywhere

Steve50 · Apr 18, 2015

Danube said:
Oh dear, here we go again.... Being blown up ONCE by someone is not "griefing". Several times, yes, once, no. It's not nice, I agree, though. Still, the solution is don't play Open if it's a big issue to you.

I know where this thread is headed, so I'll leave it here.

Griefing or not, destroying someone when they have no cargo is totally pointless and stupid. I would assume any pirate with an iq larger than his shoesize would leave the ship alone, thinking the next time they meet it, It could have valuable cargo.

777Driver · Apr 18, 2015

Steve50 said:
Griefing or not, destroying someone when they have no cargo is totally pointless and stupid. I would assume any pirate with an iq larger than his shoesize would leave the ship alone, thinking the next time they meet it, It could have valuable cargo.

It doesn't always have to be about cargo, who would target a Viper for Cargo? He just ran into someone who wanted to interdict a combat ship, what's the big deal? OP was not forced to go into OPEN.

I have no respect for someone who target's newbies in Sidy's,haulers,T6 etc.. it's obvious they don't want to fight. But a Viper? The OP could have escaped, I have no issue with targeting someone in a Combat ship.. I can't class that as griefing, picking a fight.. sure, but not griefing.

Btw, what is the top speed of the Vulture? The Viper should have left it for dust

RosaMaus · Apr 18, 2015

777Driver said:
...Btw, what is the top speed of the Vulture? The Viper should have left it for dust

An asthmatic snail tied to a brick could outrun my Vulture...

Toumal · Apr 18, 2015

Initially, I misread the thread title as "Space Scrum". And I got horrifying flashbacks to pointless "estimation poker" meetings, and "daily standups". Then I read your post and was actually relieved. Kinda.

OillyRag · Apr 18, 2015

777Driver said:
what's the big deal? OP was not forced to go into OPEN

. But a Viper? The OP could have escaped, I have no issue with targeting someone in a Combat ship.. I can't class that as griefing, picking a fight.. sure, but not griefing.

Btw, what is the top speed of the Vulture? The Viper should have left it for dust

The guy has been playing for 4 days, perhaps we should give him a break.

PotatoOverdose · Apr 18, 2015

Jackie Silver said:
And here we go again: it could be, if the CMDR doing the blowing up is repeatedly targeting random people.

It's a perennial problem: one person's reasoned roleplay (not griefing) appears identical to another person's psychotic roleplay (griefing disguised as roleplay "because I want to blow things up I'll say I play a psychopath, aren't I clever!") excuse appears identical to another's "let's blow people up for the lulz" (griefing.)

There are plenty of circumstances where someone could, acting fully in-character and not pretending to play a psycho, go on a killing spree of randoms, so we can't say one way or the other based on the example given. If we knew that CMDR was targeting randoms sequentially (ed) without a reason, it'd be griefing. If they were using unreasoned roleplay as an excuse it'd be griefing. Otherwise not.

Murder isn't griefing, it is considered a valid gameplay choice by the developers. (source)

So no, targetting randoms sequentially and killing them, i.e. murder, is not griefing.