Speculation about Elite Feet / Space Legs

UselessThing

UselessThing
Soon(TM) said:
I love these discussions, so funny seeing how people still think space legs will ever be a thing in ED.

Open your eyes, we are Never getting space legs.
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Well, they added a fairly decent head creator thing. And they already have models of people.

I don't think it would be <that> much more work to create something to let people pretend to stand in a hole on a pretend alien world.
 

Cosmo

Cosmo
Soon(TM) said:
I love these discussions, so funny seeing how people still think space legs will ever be a thing in ED.

Open your eyes, we are Never getting space legs.
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Eyes are open, your comment is based on nothing but pessimism. Braben said they're working on space legs. Lots of people want it. There's so many threads about space legs and a desire to walk in Elite for years.
 
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Eymerich

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Cosmo said:
Eyes are open, your comment is based on nothing but pessimism. Braben said they're working on space legs. Lots of people want it. There's so many threads about space legs and a desire to walk in Elite for years.
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My eyes are open.

Unfortunatly.

And in 2 year isn't completed a season, figure...

We have had features we have been told: Multicrew is ok, if players will use it maybe we'll improve it.

Even in a stream one of the Dev seems a bit worried about that topic: if we'll do that.. if we arrive to do that... it'a game inside a game.

Words that make you understand that even a dev from Fd seems to not strongly believe in that project...

The game isn't changhed at it's own core anything from 1.0.

We have had to wait 6 month to get a bar which showed us the progression of the factions.

Now they have one more (secret) project, 2 port (xbox-ps4), one other project (Roller coaster) and they are the same as before: how can you seriously believe Space leg will be out?

Even in tha last interview they have passed from 10 years plan to we hope to develop Elite for 10 years.

And this comes, sadly, from one who strongly believe in Fd.

Hope to be proven wrong of course.
 

Johnathlon

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Space legs will turn out to be vital to overcome the Thargoids in my opinion. Ultimately we are going to need to abandon our primitive technology, bop up to the Mothership, climb through the extractor grill and go sneeze in the face of the Mother Tharg to defeat them. For this Elite Feet are vital.
 

ZeroAi

ZeroAi
Phoenix_Dfire said:
Here’s an interesting question for Elite Feet (or Space Legs if you prefer), I was going to discuss on the next Top Shift or Lave Radio. What with Eve closing the walking round stations / captain’s cabin option and X-Rebirth’s walking around stations being regarded as a tedious chore, Would people be happy with the starting point being just a bar being available in stations where Commander avatars can walk in and socialise? Heck they could even 'Holo' in (Right I'll duck and cover!!)

This is pure speculation about what this functionality would be required to make this happen;-
  1. First person view only – No third person view.
  2. No avatar to avatar combat (yet).
  3. You can only disembark from your ship within the hanger and walk around your ship and walk to the lift and back.
  4. Once at the Lift, you have one option - The Bar! (This would probably be expanded on in the future to a Mall or park)
  5. The lift will take you to the corridor outside the bar and you can walk in (For immersion’s sake, Frontier can say that it’s only the approved offworld area for the moment to reduce the chance of a Cmdr. bringing in new bugs or viruses).
  6. Here is a large room with a couple of serving counters, plenty of standing tables and sit down alcoves at.
  7. Cmdrs. will need more than just the chat window to communicate with; they’ll need Emotes and actions to perform (i.e. the Legendary PsykoKow Pirate Dance will have to be replicated) Maybe some way to make to avatars interact (Fist bump, Shake Hands, Kiss, Punch, Throw a mug!) with each other.
  8. Obviously Cmdrs. will have to be able to buy drinks (For immersion sake, you could have it so you can’t fly your ship if your avatar is drunk).
  9. To make it feel less of a ‘just a glorified chatroom’, there are various Terminals dotted round the bar, replicating the main station screens (I.e. Marketplace, Missions, Etc)
  10. Contacts can be represented by actual NPCs sat around the Bar (Black Market) or Behind Desks.
  11. In order to encourage cmdrs to visit the bar; there are various terminals or contacts that are not available from the main station screen. Those could be;
    • A Bounty hunter board, where cmdrs can set bounties on other players.
    • Wing Board – where cmdrs can off their services as a wingman or look for other people to wing up.
    • Material Exchange – a player market where players can buy and sell synthesis materials and data with other players.
    • In-game link to the CQC Arena. Both playing games and spectating them ;-)

If we consider this kind of stuff it might explain to people why we’re probably not getting Space legs in season three. If I put my dev hat on, looking at this list, we’re probably talking at least a year of an experienced dev team’s time in order to create this kind of functionality. You’ve also got to factor in that the FPS engine will have to be expanded on in the future, which means that there will be a lot of infrastructure would need to be built in that we would never see as players at the start and the thought of how complex linking the FPS and Space parts of the game would probably give me a case of the screaming Heebie Jeebies. Now I might be completely off track with these estimates because I don’t know the capabilities of the COBRA engine and the Frontier Dev Team I would consider to be far above the average (Not meaning to Brown-nose but …).

So TL : DR, It's going to be a lot of work to put Elite Feet (Space Legs) in.

Do you think it’s worth Frontier spending that so much time putting what is effectively a new game within Elite Dangerous?

Would you prefer them to improve the space game features first?

Are there any ideas that you thought works in Star Citizen, Eve or X-Rebirth you think that E : D should take notice of?
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Great ideas - I've proposed sometime similar and think this would be a great v1 first person walking implementation.

I'd like to be able to walk around my ships and check them out - I can walk around my cockpits in VR, but I'd like to check out the rest of the ship.

I like the idea of being able to walk from my cockpit out to the elevator which wisks me away to the station's pub and mission area with npc avatars giving out missions :)

But if it never happens we do have SC3.0 to enjoy, same with Atmospheric planets and NMS.
 
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Crank Larson

Crank Larson
Cosmo said:
We know they're working on space legs according to Braben since 2016. We don't know how far in development it is though. That's the speculative part.

The first iteration could be walking indoors, in specific ship sections, station hangar and/or social area like a bar on a station.

They will cross use technology of their other games like Planet Coaster and the new Hollywood IP which have the COBRA Engine. This drastically reduces development time. So I think that can definitely be released during season 3 (December 2017 or in 2018).
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Season 3? Not a hope. I'd be surprised if walking about was even considered until Season 5, as there is so much more that was promised for the spaceship first. Why would you want to walk around if you can't land on a planet with atmosphere?

Of course, I'd be delighted to be proved wrong. But I'm also willing to place bets that we're not going to be walking anywhere until at least 2019, and even that is optimistic.
 
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