They're currently selling a vehicle that costs over double what I paid for the entire Odyssey expansion, so I'd say it's a nope from me.
Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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Sure, buy an Idris. You won't regret it.
Goddamn, should have known someone would have said it already.
Here's another protip, always read to the end of the thread before posting.
More content in that one vehicle than in the whole of Skyrim!
Don't let your dreams stay dreams.
Things you did 30 years ago might still be relevant enough to make you rich.
Competence is not a necessary requirement for large crowds of single coming up to middle aged mostly men to throw money at you.
A trophy wife is only a good idea on paper. You will literally end up paying for those knockers.
(Reads thread title)
Ahem, should totally check out this game called SC.
Being an old Freelancer game player and a huge fan of the game at the time playing it for years online, which was also made by Chris Roberts and his brother. I was so excited (as was most ex-Freelancer players) when it was first announced that Chris Roberts would make a new space game to follow on from Freelancer called Star Citizen. However... I never jumped on the bandwagon of buying into the game early and decided to just wait until it was released. Now many years later it seems it's still only a DEMO type game (which should have been released as a proper game by now). I can see now why Microsoft rushed them to get Freelancer finished off and out at the time when under Digital Anvil, all those many years ago
All this money they've had with crowd funding for Star Citizen, far far more than they originally wanted to make the game. And they're still nowhere near a finished game and trying to carry on making more money all the time selling digital ships. Now I've just lost interested in Star Citizen because of it, the fact the game should have done and dusted long ago. It's turned into a money making sham by the looks of things, with no finished game in sight
All this money they've had with crowd funding for Star Citizen, far far more than they originally wanted to make the game. And they're still nowhere near a finished game and trying to carry on making more money all the time selling digital ships. Now I've just lost interested in Star Citizen because of it, the fact the game should have done and dusted long ago. It's turned into a money making sham by the looks of things, with no finished game in sight
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I reckon if there’s one accolade Chris deserves, it’s that he’s a great pitch man. SC absolutely nails his reputation there. Just as it confirms yet again that he’s a dire producer. (That’s a reputation that predates Freelancer, but it really was shouted from the rooftops at that point).
Is he a good designer though? I don’t see it. His whole 'game as living movie' credo, his apparent belief in 'not faking' the underlying systems. Both of these strands suggest he’s just not really a game guy at all. He’s still all dream pitch, with no feel for how to make his ideas fun or workable. He just seems to think that 'make a real world, and real events will emerge' is a holy grail worth aiming for.
I could source examples of that stuff for days, but honestly, the last one mentioned kind of says it all
I reckon if there’s one accolade Chris deserves, it’s that he’s a great pitch man. SC absolutely nails his reputation there. Just as it confirms yet again that he’s a dire producer. (That’s a reputation that predates Freelancer, but it really was shouted from the rooftops at that point).
Is he a good designer though? I don’t see it. His whole 'game as living movie' credo, his apparent belief in 'not faking' the underlying systems. Both of these strands suggest he’s just not really a game guy at all. He’s still all dream pitch, with no feel for how to make his ideas fun or workable. He just seems to think that 'make a real world, and real events will emerge' is a holy grail worth aiming for.
I could source examples of that stuff for days, but honestly, the last one mentioned kind of says it all
See Jarred shaking his head, look closely, he's not impressed. This sort of crap is where someone needs to pull on the leash.
There was a vid posted few pages back iirc from 2018 when 2 devs* were talking to Jared on video link and said if youre smelly NPCs wont talk to you and be like 'go away'. Jared laughs off screen and says 'Are you guys serious?', he thought it was a joke. When he realised it was true he said 'Shower Citizen'. He was not impressed.
iirc it was the one where in 2018 the German main dev guy had a T shirt saying 'SQ Forty Two 2015'
Comedy gold that one video for so many reasons. Not least coz it was called Reverse the Verse - as in 'Hey everyone we are going backwards, hold on'
A lot of people (the old Freelancer players) back in the day - they felt Chris was treated badly by Microsoft when they bought out Digital Anvil (Chris Roberts) and then forced him to stop the delays with Freelancer and wrap it up as a finished game. Which many of us know that's why some ships had unused hard points on on them and such, the game was actually not fully completed like Chris wanted. But now looking at how Star Citizen has followed a similar path and why Chris Roberts never wanted to be tied to another company working for them that could force his hand and why he crowd funded it instead. You can see the same pattern where he just can't seem to finish something off that he starts.
lol... eating and drinking, which is in now, i can tolerate, i'd rather it was not a thing but you can carry food and drink on your person or store it in your ships rest room / kitchen and it only takes a few seconds to take on subsistence.
But shower and taking a dump? come off it Chris this is stupid.
Just fallen off my chair. CR is most certainly not a good designer, if he were then SC would have been designed based on the limitations of his chosen engine. He's a great salesman.
CR tried to sell me a Porsche but when I tried to take it out for a test run, although it looked like a Porsche the engine didn't start, I opened the hood and realised although the engine had the Porsche logo, it was actually made up of refactored parts from other engines. I then spotted the weld marks and realised it was a cut and shut. I stood up and looked across the road at the busy car showroom of a competitor and watched an AC Cobra and a Lotus Elite roll down the ramp and speed off into the distance. I crossed the road...
CR tried to sell me a Porsche but when I tried to take it out for a test run, although it looked like a Porsche the engine didn't start, I opened the hood and realised although the engine had the Porsche logo, it was actually made up of refactored parts from other engines. I then spotted the weld marks and realised it was a cut and shut. I stood up and looked across the road at the busy car showroom of a competitor and watched an AC Cobra and a Lotus Elite roll down the ramp and speed off into the distance. I crossed the road...
If after decades in the industry he does not understand compromise, he is neither talented nor is he great. If he did, he would not be an industry drop-out. There is no greatness without comprehending the limitations of one's craft.
Looking at the state of Star Citizen, and given the resources CR has had at his disposal, the results speak more to what CR's inner child wanted to play with rather than to his ability to design a game.
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This is what so many of the faithful can't grasp. He ended up making movies because he was basically railroaded out of town by the games industry after what happened with Freelancer and Digital Anvil but now he's already living the dream, which for him is to fart around with other people's money whilst playing at being the great impresario.
Personally and professionally, he's a delusional joke by any sensible standard.
Given that’s the vid where Jared outright lauds Chris for 'absolving himself' of 2017’s (still utterly wrong) 3.0 roadmap, yeah, that shows just how off the scale absurd bathroom gameplay is
Not that Jared is someone who could be laying down some practical limits for CIG to get creative within. That’s the producers.
Instead we see them nodding along with practically every crazed idea. Because Chris is the golden goose. He’s the talisman who brings in the readies with his dreamscapes of piped venting and firemen’s outfits and no compromises...
So instead we see Sean just nodding his head to insanity like this, in 2021...
Don't worry, all ships will need to be completely reworked for physicalized damage!
(This whole quote is insane)
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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oxonCvCNZg&t=10m
Is there anything CIG don't do backwards on the art vs design side?
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Bonus insanity
It doesn’t seem hyperbolic to say that, unless Chris is wrestled away from the helm (Freelancer style), this deranged flavour of 'perfect is the enemy of good' will keep the project in an undeliverable state. Chris will never stop plumbing in un-fun 'realism' errata, and the devs will spend all their time plugging leaks in the over-pressured system. Or coding believable plumber AI
Given that’s the vid where Jared outright lauds Chris for 'absolving himself' of 2017’s (still utterly wrong) 3.0 roadmap, yeah, that shows just how off the scale absurd bathroom gameplay is
Not that Jared is someone who could be laying down some practical limits for CIG to get creative within. That’s the producers.
Instead we see them nodding along with practically every crazed idea. Because Chris is the golden goose. He’s the talisman who brings in the readies with his dreamscapes of piped venting and firemen’s outfits and no compromises...
So instead we see Sean just nodding his head to insanity like this, in 2021...
It doesn’t seem hyperbolic to say that, unless Chris is wrestled away from the helm (Freelancer style), this deranged flavour of 'perfect is the enemy of good' will keep the project in an undeliverable state. Chris will never stop plumbing in un-fun 'realism' errata, and the devs will spend all their time plugging leaks in the over-pressured system. Or coding believable plumber AI
Chris is his employer.
That's the entire problem. The fish rots from the head.