Context is helpful. 500M$ and in its 11th year of developement, and it's not yet in beta.
How much longer are you happy to wait? Two years? Five years? Ten years? Twenty-five years?
With 109 systems yet to arrive, is it 1090 years?
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How much longer are you happy to wait? Two years? Five years? Ten years? Twenty-five years?
With 109 systems yet to arrive, is it 1090 years?
CIG accepting refunding within 30 days despite saying 14 days in the TOS... Wow, what a lie ! Do you understand that it benefit the customer to have 16 days more than the TOS ? The only legally enforceable document is the TOS and if a page give another info CIG can have problem... only if CIG don't respect the better option between the TOS and the other page. And guess what ? CIG respect the better option : 30 days ...
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I'm not happy that it takes so long but I don't see what 11 year is relevant to the fact that SC is still not in beta.
Beta will come when alpha will be over, nothing else.
As said before, I patiently wait because I have no choice. No other company is making a game like SC (= with all the elements I want in a space game).
You could probably have learned to program one yourself and achieved more in the 11 years it’s taken CI-G to go nowhere.
I played at least 500 hours on the "nowhere" and I play more and more on it. So no.
There is already Spacebourne for the "space game made by one guy". 7 years (SB2 is an evolution de SB1) for a solo game that don't come close to SC.
Definitely not up there with the "everyone will get what they pledged by 2016", or "I've played through the entire campaign of SQ42", and other massive whoppers. To be fair.
How many time have we heard white knights say that Pyro and other systems are done, just waiting for (insert magic tech here) and they will release them all?
They say this, despite the most open development ever roadmap has never shown these systems as being completed.
They say this, despite the most open development ever roadmap has never shown these systems as being completed.
Exactly this, everything written in their TOS or EULA is completely outside of EU consumer protection law as it stands....a basic rule of thumb for a 'purchase of digital goods' as opposed to what Ci~G class as a 'pledge' is the addition of VAT or sales tax (in the US) on any and all items sold in their online store, if you pay a purchase tax on any part of it...it's a sale of goods not a gift
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"if you pay a purchase tax on any part of it...it's a sale of goods not a gift"Exactly this, everything written in their TOS or EULA is completely outside of EU consumer protection laws as they stand....a basic rule of thumb for a 'purchase of digital goods' as opposed to what Ci~G class as a 'pledge' is the addition of VAT or sales tax (in the US) on any and all items sold in their online store, if you pay a purchase tax on any part of it...it's a sale of goods not a gift
Not as simple. SC is considered as a "reward", not a real good.
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Do You Have to Pay Taxes on Crowdfunded Money?
The IRS doesn’t treat all crowdfunded money equally. Whether you must claim it as income and pay taxes on it is subject to a few rules. Learn how taxes apply to crowdfunded money.
Sounds like you are not familiar with the whole notion of "early access". Steam has a good outline of what early access means to them.
Early Access (Steamworks Documentation)
7 Days to Die would be a good example of this for me. I really enjoy the game, especially in co-op, but me and my friends keep having our saves getting corrupted ruining the save. So I've stopped playing it. Will probably try again when the next patch comes out. Trying to get help with the issue and a lot of time it gets to "well, this is an early access game and there will be bugs, its not done".
Granted, SC is buggier than any other early access game i've played.
Vampire Survivors did it perfectly. And Hades.Sounds like you are not familiar with the whole notion of "early access". Steam has a good outline of what early access means to them.
Early Access (Steamworks Documentation)
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7 Days to Die would be a good example of this for me. I really enjoy the game, especially in co-op, but me and my friends keep having our saves getting corrupted ruining the save. So I've stopped playing it. Will probably try again when the next patch comes out. Trying to get help with the issue and a lot of time it gets to "well, this is an early access game and there will be bugs, its not done".
Granted, SC is buggier than any other early access game i've played.
That's quoting American tax law...not European consumer law. We're slightly more covered as consumers and end users or customers than our distant cousins over the water."if you pay a purchase tax on any part of it...it's a sale of goods not a gift"
Not as simple. SC is considered as a "reward", not a real good.
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Huh. Only bought Hades after release. One need not join every EA there is. But I have another which has been quite satisfying: Satisfactory. No punning intended. I enjoy games in EA which grow. I like seeing the vision fit into place, become. Sometimes stuff fails terribly (DayZ comes to mind, but often it is like a little tree).
Not SC though, that is a dumpster fire of stale regression and failures. It's jank like Goat simulator and Viscera Cleanup detail - minus the successful launch milestone and reaching the finish line.
Who cares what the IRS says when it's not relevant for any of my purchases?That's quoting American tax law...not European. We're slightly more covered as consumers over this side of the pond as end users or customers.
Yes, the European laws are more strict. But for the American laws, pledges for SC are only pledges.That's quoting American tax law...not European consumer law. We're slightly more covered as consumers and end users or customers than our distant cousins over the water.
I also suspect the fact that the TOS saying 14 days but the FAQ saying 30 days for refund is to cover potential countries where a digital purchase can be refunded for more than 14 days. In Europe it's 14 days, so the TOS is applicable.
TOS isn't applicable when it violates existing law.
"if you pay a purchase tax on any part of it...it's a sale of goods not a gift"
Not as simple. SC is considered as a "reward", not a real good.
Do You Have to Pay Taxes on Crowdfunded Money?
The IRS doesn’t treat all crowdfunded money equally. Whether you must claim it as income and pay taxes on it is subject to a few rules. Learn how taxes apply to crowdfunded money.
Semantics mate. Within that article's own definition said 'rewards' for 'crowdfunding donations' are taxable.
Because dun dun DUN... they're purchased goods.
US backer struggles to get recompense for their tardy 'gifts' seem to be more to do with lenient consumer protections laws. They don't have a framework for insisting that their purchased goods are overly tardy / not as described.
It simply doesn't matter in the slightest whether you...or Ci~G... imagine the hastily drawn up (and perpetually altered since 2013) TOS and EULA designed purely to loosely conform to the absolute quagmire of US tax law is binding or not, it's not binding in the EU against any and all of the consumer protection laws we have here...especially in the UK.
If I decided to contest my 'pledge' with Ci~G at any point, especially being comfortably aware of those consumer protection laws and how they work, I can assure you that Ci~G would have no choice but to pay up.
Fortunately for Ci~G, I was always perfectly aware from the very beginning exactly what I was paying out for and what I was getting into...but should my almost benign and benevolent attitude toward the muppet Roberts and his dumpster fire of a project suddenly vanish, I'm fortunate enough to have a team of family accountants and lawyers to deal with all the boring paperwork in my stead, all I'd have to do is sign at the bottom of the last page then wait patiently for the cheque to land on my desk
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