Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[Mole HD]

@TNTDany - some lovely screenshots there and I think most of us agree, SC can look very nice, although some of the older assets are looking dated now.

But all we see are screenshots of you standing around or moving from A to B.

Did you actually do any... you know... actual functional gameplay?

Star citizen can be fine if you do what Dan is doing and just bimble around doing nothing in particular. The problem arises when you attempt to add any sort of gameplay to the bimbling...it's invariably broken and causes nothing but grief and disappointment. This is the way

I quite enjoy the sightseeing and bimbling stuff myself...hence the positive nod to Dan's graphic novella via the screenshot bonanza...it's usually a tolerable and scenic way to spend a couple of hours. It's infinitely peaceful away from the usual annoyances of other players jumping around like well armed Energizer bunnies and tends not to be bug ridden and unplayable unless you get too ambitious...

I honestly can't remember the last time I even attempted as much as a box mission, never mind anything complicated like gameplay. Mining is broken, salvage is broken, cargo hauling is broken, refuelling is broken, refining is broken, bounty hunting is broken, bunkers and FPS missions are broken...so bimbling about, making up stories and taking screenshots it is

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Star citizen can be fine if you do what Dan is doing and just bimble around doing nothing in particular. The problem arises when you attempt to add any sort of gameplay to the bimbling...it's invariably broken and causes no end of grief. This is the way

I quite enjoy the sightseeing and bimbling stuff myself...hence the positive nod to Dan's graphic novella via the screenshot bonanza...it's usually a tolerable and scenic way to spend a couple of hours. It's infinitely peaceful away from the usual annoyances of other players jumping around like well armed Energizer bunnies and tends not to be bug ridden and unplayable unless you get too ambitious...

I honestly can't remember the last time I even attempted as much as a box mission, never mind anything complicated like gameplay. Mining is broken, salvage is broken, cargo hauling is broken, refuelling is broken, refining is broken, bounty hunting is broken, bunkers and FPS missions are broken...so bimbling about, making up stories and taking screenshots it is

I remember you talking positively about mining around a year ago? Sharing the odd screenshot... not pages worth.

 

[Mole HD]

I remember you talking positively about mining around a year ago? Sharing the odd screenshot... not pages worth.

Geez, it's probably way longer than that. I haven't really played since 3.17 and mining was broken back then too. I don't often have much positive to say about star citizen...but I'll sometimes give credit where I think it's honestly due. Some bits have occasionally been done fairly well...when they work. The actual mechanics of ship and ROC mining was one of those...until Chistopher Bobbins stuffed it all up by adding some entirely unwarranted and completely pointless complexity which broke it forever.

I did read the little storyline in between Dan's plethora of screenshots though...genuinely found it entertaining...much more so than 47 pages of Twitch clips from a seemingly unending role call of streamers crying into their plastic Red Bull bottles. Everyone to their own I s'pose

 

[VR Golgot]

Hey, the clips tell a bigger story!

It's called: 'The Manifest Malfeasence of Christopher Roberts Esquire'

And it's something of an epic

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I read the little storyline in between Dan's plethora of screenshots...genuinely found it entertaining...much more so than 47 pages of Twitch clips from a seemingly unending role call of streamers crying into their plastic Red Bull bottles. Everyone to their own I s'pose

Heh, Golgot does get a bit carried away with those.

OTOH, its a solid counter to all those faithful who post "This patch is the best patch ever! So much more stable! I've not suffered any issues at all and buttery smooth server tick rates!"

 

[Mole HD]

Heh, Golgot does get a bit carried away with those.

OTOH, its a solid counter to all those faithful who post "This patch is the best patch ever! So much more stable! I've not suffered any issues at all and buttery smooth server tick rates!"

Not too many of those about these days...they're almost an endangered species

 

[rootsrat]

I spent 90 minutes yesterday trying to get from a planet to a station to save myself there in the hospital.

Didn't manage to do even that

I was almost there once... but the lift said no. I completely lost it at that stage and just couldn't stop laughing for a few good minutes... (tried my best to hold it, as i promised myself I would approach this with positive attitude)

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[VR Golgot]

Not too many of those about these days...they're almost an endangered species

Nah main sub is still split pretty evenly between: 'I wept tears, smoothest experience ever, server tick was 30 for my entire session' guys. And everyone else

(It is interesting how many of those guys are of the 'cruise and peruse' type though, when queried about what they actually did ).

 

[VR Golgot]

I do like the guys in the overlap though... The 'Everything was great, except for the bugs' guys

Me and a bunch of friends have been grinding out contested zones. Very few problems.
Biggest issues we have encountered: About 20 minutes off all of our inventories not being usable. (1 instance) One full server crash that we had to wait 15~ for to get back in game. (1 instance) Ships disappearing off of our Polari in quantum.(50/50) Doors not working. (Consistent, but has a workaround)
So besides that, everything has been amazing! Smoothest this game has ever been, basically no stutters, or lag when lots of people are around, great rewards, and pyro is so fun. It's my new home.
Got my F7A MK II the very first ship we got from the contested zones so I'm extra happy. Me and my main friend who figured out the contested zone puzzles got first dibs, me for F7A and him for F8C.
I say this as someone who loves the game I am about to mention and has thousands of hours in it. But as of 4.0 elite dangerous doesn't even hold a candle to this game.

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This was largely my experience yesterday too, aside from a brief (and literal) trip through my personal hangar floor that resulted in me needing to restock my FPS supplies and take the tram from the hospital again, lol.
Biggest thing I can into was the bed logging bug from 3.24 where "cannot rest in a landing zone" haunts you like the Ghost of Christmas Past and I had one of two F7's vanish from a Polaris hangar somewhere between leaving Orison and arriving at Bloom. That and had an issue with getting a hangar assigned at Starlight station, but it worked fine at Orbituary. The QT to stations thing was annoying, but I wound up just hoofing it in nav mode (though I haven't played today, so not sure if this has gotten worse).
Biggest issue I ran into was fighting with controller bindings again because I decided to dust off my rudder pedals, and the game decided they were now controller 1, lol.

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Apart from the broken missions and some odds bugs with the hangars, it has been very good.

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Which is all cool. I think SC is a very fine game for a certain type of player. (Particularly the 'tourists', the 'emergent gameplay providers', and the 'bug-puzzlers'. And all the shades in between.)

It's only when any of them try and extend that to 'game is de facto great' / 'this proves the game will be great' style proselytizing that issues start

 

[Mole HD]

I do like the guys in the overlap though... The 'Everything was great, except for the bugs' guys







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Which is all cool. I think SC is a very fine game for a certain type of player. (Particularly the 'tourists', the 'emergent gameplay providers', and the 'bug-puzzlers'. And all the shades in between.)

It's only when any of them try and extend that to 'game is de facto great' / 'this proves the game will be great' style proselytizing that issues start

It's always been the same...play what it is and not what you imagine it is.

I still liked Dan's honest little reminiscence's through his screenshot story, because it reminded me of what I, personally, enjoy(ed) about star citizen...it also reminded me of a way too distant sense of positivity I felt when a few of us used to just bimble about doing nothing in particular without the disservice of having to struggle through increasingly curated and broken content just to please an audience or sucker some poor schmuck into paying for our gaming time.

Screenshots are from around this time of year in 2018...Just another broken Xmas PTU

 

[Viajero]

Focus on "playability" starts tomorrow, not today!

Source: https://youtu.be/sm3OrrgmwQk

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Not too many of those about these days...they're almost an endangered species

Perhaps more than you think. OA's latest video on SC was full of them in the comments.

If you think about it, it makes sense the marketing bots post on videos like that most, because posting on like Morph's or similar videos don't have much impact, its mainly fans already there. But OA likes to try and present as neutrally as possible, so draws a wide range of people to his videos, so there is more opportunity to rope people in with myths about how wonderfully stable the new patch is.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Why PvE servers would be good for SC, from a PvP player.

As a PVP Player, I Fully Support the Creation of Dedicated PVE Servers - Star Citizen Spectrum

I realize I have no valid arguments against the idea of creating a separate PVE server, so I feel it's necessary to post this to explain my perspective as a PVP player on this matter. For PVE...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Oh no... A PvE player explains why PvE servers would be bad for SC

As a NON-PVP citizen, here is why I don't support PVE-only/SOLO servers - Star Citizen Spectrum

This may be an unpopular opinion with some, but please hear me out... 1. I rarely engage in PVP fights and I NEVER start them 2. I tend to run away when attacked by players 3. Me and my friends...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Oh wow, another PvE player also doesn't think its a good idea.

As A PvE Player, I Do Not Support The Creation Of Dedicated PvE Servers. - Star Citizen Spectrum

I realize I have no valid arguments for the idea of creating a separate PvE server, so I feel it's necessary to post this to explain my perspective as a PvE player on this matter. For PvE...

robertsspaceindustries.com

I'm suspicious... where are all these PvE players that don't want PvE servers coming from.

Oh... wait... someone just outed them as a PvP player based on one of their older posts. LOL

Well, any other opinions....

CIG, this would have been THE opportunity to give us a 4.0 PvE and 4.0 PvP live server! - Star Citizen Spectrum

...and an opportunity to collect useful and fresh data that you so desperately want. From a technical point of view, it doesn't seem to be an obstacle running two different versions. You're...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Great! An opportunity to test things.

Hold on...

Regarding the futility of demanding separate servers - Star Citizen Spectrum

All of your statements are, well, fine... but pointless. What makes you think that just because a handful of people make a fuss daily about separate servers such a step is suddenly on the menu? It...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Oh, its all apparently futile.

Ok, let's check in on how 4.0 is.

4.0 is a Successful Launch! - Star Citizen Spectrum

As far as I am concerned, 4.0 has proven that server meshing is in fact the tech needed for this game to be stable. Now that Server Meshing is in, the focus will most likely be going to getting...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Good news everyone! Its great.

Oh...

Don't bother with the 4.0 preview - it is way too broken - Star Citizen Spectrum

Just now, as I was about to touchdown in MY hangar at my home location, in my Taurus, laden with gold, my ship disappeared and I dropped to the hanger floor. I hoped my ship was stored...... It...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Oh dear.

Ok, let's check in and see if some people are at least happy with Pyro in general. Did CIG get it right?

Pyro is backwards - Star Citizen Spectrum

We have a mined out system, with no industrialization, no manufacturing at scale, that is supposed to be both environmentally hazardous and with distances too vast to cross with common ships. A...

robertsspaceindustries.com

Ah... so basically CIG did a 180 on what they said it would be like. Colour me surprised!

 

[Rat Catcher]

I'm suspicious... where are all these PvE players that don't want PvE servers coming from.

Oh... wait... someone just outed them as a PvP player based on one of their older posts. LOL

So the Hotel has built an annexe in SC space?
What a surprise.... Not!!!

 

[VR Golgot]

It's always been the same...play what it is and not what you imagine it is.

For sure

I still liked Dan's honest little reminiscence's through his screenshot story, because it reminded me of what I, personally, enjoy(ed) about star citizen...it also reminded me of a way too distant sense of positivity I felt when a few of us used to just bimble about doing nothing in particular without the disservice of having to struggle through increasingly curated and broken content just to please an audience or sucker some poor schmuck into paying for our gaming time.

Yeah the only thing I'd object to is that Dan is just picking up on his old proselytizing. (Come enjoy more ships than daddy Braben can provide, etc etc). His pretty pix spam and trip reports have always been in service of that as much as anything else.

(And it took a fair few bops on the head to get him to at least acknowledge and embrace the jank side of the tale previously )

He should like what he likes. But if he posts flurries of 'And then I stood by another rock, proving that the foundations are solid and the future is bright!', he should expect more bops

 

[Mole HD]

For sure



Yeah the only thing I'd object to is that Dan is just picking up on his old proselytizing. (Come enjoy more ships than daddy Braben can provide, etc etc). His pretty pix spam and trip reports have always been in service of that as much as anything else.

(And it took a fair few bops on the head to get him to at least acknowledge and embrace the jank side of the tale previously )

He should like what he likes. But if he posts flurries of 'And then I stood by another rock, proving that the foundations are solid and the future is bright!', he should expect more bops

Meh, this place is already an echo chamber of ED = good, SC = bad. I'm as guilty of the star citizen faithful bashing as much as anyone else...but stifling any squeaks of positivity from any and all breeds of star citizen player makes this just another reddit sub to my mind. I don't as a hard rule do the comparison thing with ED or it's development...on here or anywhere else... but I also won't grill someone for posting something I liked...and frankly, welcomed... just because some off the cuff and mildly unfavourable comparison was made with the Holy Relic itself.

This isn't Hallowed ground, nor should it be treated as such

 

[VR Golgot]

This isn't Hallowed ground, nor should it be treated as such

For sure. I'm just saying I find the former tribalism tedious. And think the second stuff deserves a bop ¯\(ツ)/¯

IE when someone rolls out the tired old bug fixing comes later, this is all normal line of argument re CIG's dev, I'll point out that they attempt to fix bugs on the regular, but a bunch of those attempts regress. Because that speaks to issues I'm interested in. SC's reality vs dream-anity

 

[Mole HD]

Hey, if star citizen was real, we'd all be Chris Roberts. There's a scary thought

 

[Viajero]

Meh, this place is already an echo chamber of ED = good, SC = bad. I'm as guilty of the star citizen faithful bashing as much as anyone else...but stifling any squeaks of positivity from any and all breeds of star citizen player makes this just another reddit sub to my mind. I don't as a hard rule do the comparison thing with ED or it's development...on here or anywhere else... but I also won't grill someone for posting something I liked...and frankly, welcomed... just because some off the cuff and mildly unfavourable comparison was made with the Holy Relic itself.

This isn't Hallowed ground, nor should it be treated as such

As much as I simpathyze with your point of view, and as much I can enjoy an honest fan appreciation of SC like yours, I suspect Golgot is right:

Yeah the only thing I'd object to is that Dan is just picking up on his old proselytizing. (Come enjoy more ships than daddy Braben can provide, etc etc). His pretty pix spam and trip reports have always been in service of that as much as anything else.

That pic spam is anything but candid if you look at its track record. A not really too subtle attempt at spammy/trolly proselitizing We know Dan and he knows the thread

Either way and in practical terms this is quite simple: Those who think 9 threads in under 8 hours with around 80+ large size pics flooding 2 pages may constitute spam, please feel free to report of course. If you prefer to entertain it (I can understand it can also be fun), then "steady as she goes"!

 

[Viajero]

Let´s go back to more serious stuff , this is on point on so many levels: