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Once again, falling under the heading of "You can't make this s--- up!"
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Phfftt... that's all very well, but can they polish their helmet while holding their utensil?
(I'll see myself out...)
(I'll see myself out...)
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That is still not incompatible with being live. What we see today is simply SC’s equivalent to the same appalling level of delivery, detail and quality you often find in the worst and crappiest of games out there.
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For sure it's possible. You wont kill someone by removing the tag alpha, so why not...
Imagine an open alpha of ED where you only have 1 system and someone saying you : "You have enough functionnalities, remove the tag alpha. You will release the rest of the game in live service".
The issue of labels isn't limited to Star Citizen. Fortnite (Battle Royale) remained in Early Access for years. It was still called early access when it was at its peak.
My issue with SC in relation to the alpha label is how it is used. How CIG and the faithful present it as being this wonderful game that is emmintently playable where things work so well, but the moment criticism is leveled they immediately hide behind ITS ALPHA to deflect any and all criticism.
There are some backers out there, streamers, youtubers, or just commenters, who present a balanced view, and i have no problem with them. Its the shills, the faithful, the true believers, and of course, CIG in their marketing of it, who use this unethical tactic.
"where things work so well" ??? Do you know one SC fan stating this ? The common statement is "despite its bugs, it's already fun".
I know your desire to be able to criticize SC as it was a released product. But the reality is it's not at all a released product.
We can see actual forces and weaknesses in the alpha. But as an alpha product :
- we know for sure that its forces might stay in the released product
- we know also that a lot of its weaknesses might be corrected in the released product
So if you want to highlight a weakness, great chance are you highlight something that might be corrected. Like saying "It's not pretty" about a painting half finished.
I know that planets will be beautiful in the released game because we already see them beautiful in the alpha. It might not change.
I can assure you that the starmap is crap in the alpha but what can I say about it in the released game ? Nothing because it's an alpha and the actual starmap will be replaced (announced by devs) for a better one (because it's easy to do better than the actual one).
For instance, you can read all critics about the ship combat system before 3.14 and throw 90% of them in the dustbin because of the new combat system.
You want to criticize the inventory system in 3.14? Of course you can, but all your writings will be obsolete in 3.15.
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Have you never read /r/sc or Spectrum?
We know its not released. My position is, if people want to praise it like a released product (which they do), then they can't hide behind the ITS ALPHA shield the moment its criticized (which they do).
Cake and eat it?
Come now. Chris has been pushing the 'playable now' thing for a long while...
The converse is also true.
- Current strengths may be reduced or removed. (Such as seamless transitions ending with the move to multi-server support).
- Current weaknesses may not be corrected. (Such as the terrible server tick rate mentioned recently, as it struggles to deal with current content levels.)
Lol
Or rather replaced by a new bunch of hilarious rants once people start losing subscriber items to dangerous stairs. Or is it confirmed finally that there is an implicit LTI for these items?
Ahh, dipping back into Chris's utterings is always such fun:
Still not long to go to find out. Same for these predictions really
Chris Roberts - Dec 2020 said:
Still not long to go to find out. Same for these predictions really
Its interesting that these predictions, estimates and promises are always 1-2 years in the future. Close enough to 'maintain hope' and far enough to give people a chance to forget it was ever said.
Nah, its neither new nor special. In the Netherlands there is a right-wing populist party which is pretty much one dude and some lackeys. The guy is the longest-sitting politician in our parlement and still goes with the "I am the breeze of fresh air, just vote for me and donate some money and after an initial starting period I will [blabla]." He's been doing this since the beginning of the century. Meanwhile other folks are waiting for Jesus to return, who after a unexpectedly long 2000 year leave of absence is definitely about to return any day now. Don't forget to put some cash in the tip jar.
Its human nature. All that CIG can claim is they exported the same crap to a new industry. Or maybe not even that.
It's on purpose. They know exactly it is the sweet spot to time their nollocks for.
They almost invented NFT before NFT were a thing. Lacks the underlying blockchain but the concept of buying JPEGs for a huge sum of money was there.
Well, unlike CiG, FDEV didn't have a court decision telling the product is released back then. Oh, FDEV wasn't 7 years late on delivery either...
Court ruled that it wasn't the right place and it needed be taken to arbitration iirc.
Good news is that this seems like some final animation polish and bug fixing before they think they're "done" with it (pending approval from allmighty chris)Once again, falling under the heading of "You can't make this s--- up!"