Star Citizen Discussions v7

Don't you go giving CRobber ideas.

"Ideas" is one of the two things Chris Roberts has in abundance - by the time a new idea pops up somewhere, he's already been there and thought it first, and thought of twelve new ideas as well. The man's just a veritable, honest-to-goodness ideas factory.
 
the more I think about this mess, the more the incompetence at CIG shines through.

Take a look at this...

CIG official statement: "We are aware of the Crytek complaint having been filed in the US District Court. CIG hasn’t used the CryEngine for quite some time since we switched to Amazon’s Lumberyard."

"This is a meritless lawsuit that we will defend vigorously against, including recovering from Crytek any costs incurred in this matter."

Then read this..

Under the GLA, Defendants agreed to pay Crytek a license fee for access to and use of CryEngine in the Star Citizen video game. Crytek agreed to charge Defendants a below-market license rate for CryEngine in exchange for Defendants' agreements that they would

among other things

prominently display Crytek trademarks and copyright notices in the Star Citizen video game and related marketing materials.

So What does the GLA say? well it say that CIG will exclusively use CE and changing engine would violate the GLA.

Thus, they need to get ready for impact! hence all the CIG bots are out in force to stop people to start a refund avalanche, becasue those back in the queue will get zero!!!
 
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More fidelity...

[video=youtube;7JEHNEQa6Ss]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JEHNEQa6Ss[/video]

And having watched much more of 3.0 than is good for me, I know how the commando at the end of the video feels.

EDIT: PS if you're wondering how come it looks so fluid, have a look at the server date, top right - clearly playing offline, naughty boy.
 
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the more I think about this mess, the more the incompetence at CIG shines through.

So What does the GLA say? well it say that CIG will exclusively use CE and changing engine would violate the GLA.

What i wonder is this.

- They had a cheaper license with restrictions (must use CryEngine for game)
- They later purchased a FULL license in 2013...
- Would not the NEW license at least nullify the demand to use CryEngine exclusively?
- Unless of course if they STILL got a lower priced full license...
- But at the same time they claim they stopped wanting updates or stopped receiving them in 2015 from CryTek?
- And if CryTek could not deliver updates to their own engine...
- ...perhaps because they could not pay their own employees who then started working for CIG...

Damn, talk about mess.
 
the more I think about this mess, the more the incompetence at CIG shines through.

Take a look at this...



Then read this..



So What does the GLA say? well it say that CIG will exclusively use CE and changing engine would violate the GLA.

Thus, they need to get ready for impact! hence all the CIG bots are out in force to stop people to start a refund avalanche, becasue those back in the queue will get zero!!!


DiscoHobo: "Chris the press want to know what your reaction is to this Crytek thing"

Crobbler: "Uhhh ehhh I don't know...go get Lesnick, he's good at making stuff up, I'm all out. He does nothing else around here but play with his Wing Commander stuff. What am I paying him for?"

DiscoHobo: "What will he tell them"

Crobbler: "I don't know. Just make it sound errrr...legal"
 
What i wonder is this.

- They had a cheaper license with restrictions (must use CryEngine for game)
- They later purchased a FULL license in 2013...
- Would not the NEW license at least nullify the demand to use CryEngine exclusively?
- Unless of course if they STILL got a lower priced full license...
- But at the same time they claim they stopped wanting updates or stopped receiving them in 2015 from CryTek?
- And if CryTek could not deliver updates to their own engine...
- ...perhaps because they could not pay their own employees who then started working for CIG...

Damn, talk about mess.

That mostly pivots on when Erin said "Don't worry about it guy, we got it all in hand, tout á fait..." that he was either accurate or truthful in his statement :/
 
It looks like he's had enough - he's just thrown in the towel, which seems appropriate.

Hardcore fans like him must live through a nightmare. Forcing yourself to play this zero fun thing because you stick to your faith instead of doing something entertaining or with purpose, hardcore. What a boring, boring game in the current state, a pure waste of time. It is not even worth to endure the bugs and glitches.
 
What i wonder is this.

- They had a cheaper license with restrictions (must use CryEngine for game)
- They later purchased a FULL license in 2013...
- Would not the NEW license at least nullify the demand to use CryEngine exclusively?
- Unless of course if they STILL got a lower priced full license...
- But at the same time they claim they stopped wanting updates or stopped receiving them in 2015 from CryTek?
- And if CryTek could not deliver updates to their own engine...
- ...perhaps because they could not pay their own employees who then started working for CIG...

Damn, talk about mess.

even if CT was starving puppies and kittens in their basement it just doesn't matter.
What matters is the agreement between CIG and CT, if a big law firm like Skadden takes the case, you better believe they smell blood, and that they are coming for you.
 
Hardcore fans like him must live through a nightmare. Forcing yourself to play this zero fun thing because you know there are thousands of citizens out there watching your streams, buying your merch, and directly or indirectly contributing to your monthly income.

FIFY.
 
No, this brutally efficient law firm must be wrong. Christ Roberts doesn't make mistakes and if he does, he communicates it openly, like right now after every big gaming website had this lawsuit in the news. Its also that CIG is not a capitalist company that strives for maximum profit with the least amount of work like Crytek. That is why fans condemn Crytek for being greedy whereas CIG is more like a charity that does not want to generate profits, but make space sim fans happy. Its about doing capitalism right, in a moral way.


True, some people chose Star Citizen as a career :D Funny how many layers of monetization are attached to this phenomenon. In all honesty, I don't think it is healthy for your mind to dive super deep into Chris Roberts games until they become part of your daily life, especially not regarding Star Citizen. I wonder what the longterm psychological and social consequences are, if there are any.
 
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What i wonder is this.

- They had a cheaper license with restrictions (must use CryEngine for game)
- They later purchased a FULL license in 2013...
- Would not the NEW license at least nullify the demand to use CryEngine exclusively?

No. Not unless they paid for extra capability and fewer restrictions just like Amazon did.

What they appear to have bought "later" was access to the source code so they could continue to develop the engine if CryTek folded.

Judging by the complaint, that is ALL they bought with this so-called Full License. Access to the source code.

Very likely they just added it onto their existing agreement rather than negotiate a whole new deal.

- Unless of course if they STILL got a lower priced full license...
- But at the same time they claim they stopped wanting updates or stopped receiving them in 2015 from CryTek?
- And if CryTek could not deliver updates to their own engine...

Then they would have been entitled to activate whatever penalty clauses were in the agreement, or to sue.

They could not, however, unilaterally declare the GLA null and void or do whatever they wanted. Regardless is what was happening at CryTek, CIG were still bound by their agreements.

...perhaps because they could not pay their own employees who then started working for CIG...

Which is still going to look like CIG poaching CryTek employees so that it coukd illegally modify and steal CryTeks IP.

And which is essentially what they actually did even of that wasn't their motivation. They put ex-CryTek devs to work modifying and changing a licensed engine and ended up cdlling it a different name and denying they were usinv CryEngine to the point they removed CryTeks logos and notices.

Even if CIG are innocents in this regard....it looks very bad.

"Mess" is understating the trouble they could be in if CryTek are out for blood. CryTek can make a very good case on all their charges and put a good case for maliciousness as well. And if the judge/jury accepts their copyright issues as well.....

We could be talking serious money here.
 
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"Mess" is understating the trouble they could be in if CryTek are out for blood. CryTek can make a very good case on all their charges and put a good case for maliciousness as well. And if the judge/jury accepts their copyright issues as well.....

We could be talking serious money here.

SC backers prepare for Christmas, lock your JPEGS away, get the dog inside, because Santa is coming your way :D

EvilSanta.jpg
 
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What i wonder is this.

- They had a cheaper license with restrictions (must use CryEngine for game)
- They later purchased a FULL license in 2013...
- Would not the NEW license at least nullify the demand to use CryEngine exclusively?
- Unless of course if they STILL got a lower priced full license...
- But at the same time they claim they stopped wanting updates or stopped receiving them in 2015 from CryTek?
- And if CryTek could not deliver updates to their own engine...
- ...perhaps because they could not pay their own employees who then started working for CIG...


Damn, talk about mess.

I've removed the parts that are not relevant to the contract breaches
 
SC backers prepare for Christmas, lock your JPEGS away, get the dog inside, because Santa is coming your way :D

http://www.socialbrite.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/EvilSanta.jpg

Thankfully....CryTek will likely be happy with a big wad of cash and steps taken to protect their IP....such as moving everything over to Lumberyard.

Whether CIG can afford said wad of cash is another story. And of course any attempt to protect CryTeks IP is likely to be very/hugely disruptive to development.

Of course, CIG could also win the case.

Be interesting to see their funding chart in a few days though. It should go down but I suppose a few backers could chip a few hundred thousand into the "Save CIG" campaign
 
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Thankfully....CryTek will likely be happy with a big wad of cash and steps taken to protect their IP....such as moving everything over to Lumberyard.

Whether CIG can afford said wad of cash is another story. And of course any attempt to protect CryTeks IP is likely to be very/hugely disruptive to development.

Of course, CIG could also win the case.

Be interesting to see thrir funding chart in a few days though. It should go down but I suppose a few backers could chip a few hundred thousand into the "Save CIG" campaign

The elephant in the room here is the bank? remember? They want their money too, and if you know banks like I do, they always get their pound of flesh. maybe CIG will be forced to lay off a large chunk of the work force and only keep a small core of the developers to keep the game moving,
however that will mean that all those big overheads like top management salaries need to be cut or removed to keep those who actually do the job.

Knowing how that works in CIG not gonna happen.
 
I only check up on Star Citizen occasionaly and was going to make a highly intelligent and erudite post...

But WOW!
 
What i wonder is this.

- They had a cheaper license with restrictions (must use CryEngine for game)
- They later purchased a FULL license in 2013...
- Would not the NEW license at least nullify the demand to use CryEngine exclusively?
- Unless of course if they STILL got a lower priced full license...
- But at the same time they claim they stopped wanting updates or stopped receiving them in 2015 from CryTek?
- And if CryTek could not deliver updates to their own engine...
- ...perhaps because they could not pay their own employees who then started working for CIG...

Damn, talk about mess.

Exclusivity clauses in licenses are fairly commonplace, as it is a way of mitigating the risk, as the owner/creator, that your IP doesn't get diluted by mingling it with another engine's code and making sure things are more straightforward should a dispute over source code arise. In this case full access, which likely gives full source code access, would make exclusivity even more important, not something you would want to waive lightly.
 
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