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Haven't loaded it up for ages, Is the incremental patcher sorted yet/sorted in 3.0? whether I give it a try depends on this. I'm not downloading 30 gig only to have to download 30 gig again next day when they fix something.

You're right, you won't be downloading 30GB every day, it's likely to be far higher. I believe the playable Gamescom demo was in the 70-80GB range.
 
You make it sound easy, but I don't think it is. If the engine hasn't the tools to create gameplay it's going to be difficult.

"I got no clue" should cover that one nicely :D


I know it's not easy, but if one guy can make space engine, a team of 300+ should be able to make something similar no?
 
You can twist but it doesn't change the direction you are moving, as in the video.

Is that right you physics bods?
That's how I understand it too. But my response was to the "To be fair, it's pretty reasonable to assume that if your spinning and to twist opposite you can lessen your spin." Which I wasn't sure about until I saw the video.

I guess if you had some form of wings on the suit and you could flap, there would be a way though, because you need to capture a lot of air to propel you forward.
 
Genesis does what Nintendon't!
Does that make Sandi the woman in red?

Again? Isn't that what stuffed the Ilfonic work?
I think that was a combination of poor planning and incompetence.

Only by reading coffee and bone powder sprinkled with blood of an Idris.
That's not blood, the toilets are overflowing as they spontaneously switched physics grids. Fortunately Items 2.0 comes with both Plungers and Mops 2.0™.
 
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On the subject of angular momentum, what is Chris' stance on guns with zero recoil force? :p :D
Firm but fair I expect, but with lots of violent hand waving. ;)

Incidentally, "Angular Momentum" is the name of CR's personal flagship, the recently renamed Javelin "Desperate Measures".
 
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That's how I understand it too. But my response was to the "To be fair, it's pretty reasonable to assume that if your spinning and to twist opposite you can lessen your spin." Which I wasn't sure about until I saw the video.

I guess if you had some form of wings on the suit and you could flap, there would be a way though, because you need to capture a lot of air to propel you forward.

nipple jet's?

On a serious side, that also explain the awful flight model a bit, the more I think about it.
 
That's how I understand it too. But my response was to the "To be fair, it's pretty reasonable to assume that if your spinning and to twist opposite you can lessen your spin." Which I wasn't sure about until I saw the video.

I guess if you had some form of wings on the suit and you could flap, there would be a way though, because you need to capture a lot of air to propel you forward.

As there is no air in space, i.e. a vacuum, there is nothing to push against. This is why nipple jets are required. [smile]
 
I'm not so sure about that twisting works.

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Correction. You're right. It can be done.

Here's proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OvXKTOjaVQ4#t=130

It is impossible to change the general momentum of an object in micro gravity without an outer force that alters the momentum. There can be no change of momentum out of thin air. Remember Newtons 3rd law. The object can not do this by itself. The video of the guy extending and contracting his arms is simply him changing 'the length' (or radius) of his body which influences the rotational speed, but not the momentum in any way.

Oh, and the 'flight model' of Star Citizen is far, very far from being realistic in any way.
 
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It is impossible to change the general momentum of an object in micro gravity without an outer force that alters the momentum. There can be no change of momentum out of thin air. Remember Newtons 3rd law. The object can not do this by itself. The video of the guy extending and contracting his arms is simply him changing 'the length' (or radius) of his body which influences the rotational speed, but not the momentum in any way.

Oh, and the 'flight model' of Star Citizen is far, very far from being realistic in any way.

We now know why.... -_-
 
As there is no air in space, i.e. a vacuum, there is nothing to push against. This is why nipple jets are required. [smile]
Well, out in space you have a suit, hopefully equipped with nipple jets or such. I was thinking more of zero G inside the station, like the video. And I hope there's oxygen to breath in a station, unless they found a way to hold their breath for a couple of months in service. ;)
 
We now know why.... -_-

Actually I am not sure about this. Using a realistic flight model wouldn't make the game fun. This promise made no sense from the beginning, because you can't combine that with the arcade-gameplay we know from 'space simulations' like Wing Commander that reproduced atmospheric flight in space. Why the flight model in Star Citizen is so bad, although they theoretically have so many options to make it fun? I don't know. In the current state it looks horrible and unfun from any potential angle between realism and arcade-style.
 
On the subject of angular momentum, what is Chris' stance on guns with zero recoil force? :p :D
Based on his previous discourse on the topic, my guess would be that he feels castor oil already fulfils that purpose, much like there's no need to add some new strange facial-hair celebration on top of movember.
 
Actually I am not sure about this. Using a realistic flight model wouldn't make the game fun. This promise made no sense from the beginning, because you can't combine that with the arcade-gameplay we know from 'space simulations' like Wing Commander that reproduced atmospheric flight in space. Why the flight model in Star Citizen is so bad, although they theoretically have so many options to make it fun? I don't know. In the current state it looks horrible and unfun from any potential angle between realism and arcade-style.

It was my sarcastic face, sorry if it wasn't obvious :D

The SC flight model, is just badly done, that is it. I know because I was a part of the huge thread discussing the FM. CIG even mocked those who tried to explain why it was so poorly made, and what could be done to correct it.

It was like talking to a dead person, all they did was to reskin some functions and ship it as a new and wonderful model.
As usual they are just making stuff up and talk mumbo jumbo.

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Well, out in space you have a suit, hopefully equipped with nipple jets or such. I was thinking more of zero G inside the station, like the video. And I hope there's oxygen to breath in a station, unless they found a way to hold their breath for a couple of months in service. ;)

Apologies, I thought you meant outside the ship.
 
It is impossible to change the general momentum of an object in micro gravity without an outer force that alters the momentum. There can be no change of momentum out of thin air. Remember Newtons 3rd law. The object can not do this by itself. The video of the guy extending and contracting his arms is simply him changing 'the length' (or radius) of his body which influences the rotational speed, but not the momentum in any way.
You're right. The general momentum or force, or even "spin" doesn't change in the video, however, if you think of yaw, pitch, roll, you can see that they're making spins around their axis and even tumble, without losing the momentum or general spin they have, so you can alter certain spins that you have. Since the post I responded to was mentioning "spin" and not "momentum", it wasn't a matter of the total/general force etc, but rather the local "expression" (if we can use that term) of the momentum.

Put it this way, extending arms and pulling in to change your spin doesn't change the momentum (scientific term)... but it still does change your spin (non-technical and non-scientific term).
 
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just because I kinda don't like the "CIG lied and we got them to admit it" narrative

But you helped with that. CIG said they did an engine switch, but after dragging it out of you, you admitted that no switch happened and it was just the equivalent of changing a logo.
 
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