State of the Game

[Just]

Well, this is determinism, my friend.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThDYazipjSI

I wouldn't know determinism even if it slapped my face.
All I have determined in my life is that I have no idea what is REALLY going on and why.
And every model or explanation I have carefully and thoroughly build was instantly proven false by reality.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Well, this is determinism, my friend.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThDYazipjSI

But if we live in a deterministic universe, with enough power we can simulate it right back to the beginning of time.

 

[Just]

But if we live in a deterministic universe, with enough power we can simulate it right back to the beginning of time.

And then what?
Go through all of this again?
GREAT idea.

 

[SpaceIsHuge]

I wouldn't know determinism even if it slapped my face.
All I have determined in my life is that I have no idea what is REALLY going on and why.
And every model or explanation I have carefully and thoroughly build was instantly proven false by reality.

Just because you cant see a full picture. And universe can.

 

[SpaceIsHuge]

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[Rubbernuke]

And then what?
Go through all of this again?
GREAT idea.

You can visit almost any period of time, and know everything.

The series Devs uses this conceit and was amazing.

 

[Just]

Just because you cant see a full picture. And universe can.

Judging by it's product : us, universe is no more capable in seeing "the big picture" then FD is about ED.

 

[Just]

You can visit almost any period of time, and know everything.

The series Devs uses this conceit and was amazing.

There is no point in knowing ANYTHING if everything is predetermined.
I mean, any advantage (of it) would be illusional.

 

[SpaceIsHuge]

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[PiLhEaD]

Antal reminds me of Marc Almond.

Great singer/performer, great voice. I thought he was great in the Beatles. Mm.. could have been Fun Boy Three...

(phew... avoided a forum-ending typo there...)

 

[PiLhEaD]

Not simulate. Have you heard about big crunch? And all this stuff will repeat again, forever. Is this a true hell or a heavens, when we can live forever?

Big Crunch - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jtpf8N5IDE

* EPIC *

Sits back and luxuriates... ups the volume... goose-bumps... Brilliant by Freddie, Brian, and, erm, the other two.

 

[SpaceIsHuge]

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[SpaceIsHuge]

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[Just]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99KH0TR-J4


Show must go on, forever.

It's just an assumption.
Dictated by convenience in reasoning or fear of alternatives.

 

[SpaceIsHuge]

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[PiLhEaD]

Not to self. If I ever invent time travel, avoid this part of the early 80's...

...in fairness the banana's look to be enjoying themselves...

 

[Just]

Deterministic universe is not an assumpltion, its a simple fact. How else we could exist without deterministic universe. Tell me.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEjU9KVABao

I can't determine that.
No one can, and maybe no one ever will be able to.
And that's the point

 

[Just]

Think of reality as a fractal, only it's formula changes as soon as you manage to find out the previous one.
And it's endless loop.
There is no exit using reasoning, it will always result in constructing a more sophisticated layer of mental prison, nothing more.

 

[xzanfr]

Not to self. If I ever invent time travel, avoid this part of the early 80's...

...in fairness the banana's look to be enjoying themselves...

Bananarama are great - they always looked guilty, like shop assistants that were singing when they should be stacking shelves.

 

[Just]

Think of newtonian/quantum physics as an example of such fractal formulae transition.
Almost everything we managed to conclude about reality earlier stopped working there.