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Just

Just
So, if I had to think of "fast travel/hyperjump" on balloon surface, I would probably try to "push" origin and destination point on balloon (with my fingers ;) ) until they "touch" somewhere "inside" of the balloon.
As surface in 2D has indefinitely small "thickness" the actual travel after bending the space(surface) would be accordingly VERY short trip.

Seems like I could build stargates/teleports in this model only after reaching the other location in "classic" (surface travel) way. Because I need to apply the force/energy in both locations to make them "touch" themselves.

Not very effective :unsure:
 
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Lysette

Lysette
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So, if I had to think of "fast travel/hyperjump" on balloon surface, I would probably try to "push" origin and destination point on balloon with my fingers until they "touch" somewhere "inside" of the balloon.
As surface in 2D has indefinitely small "thickness" the actual travel after bending the space(surface) would be accordingly VERY short trip.
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yeah, like that - bending or folding it that 2 locations in space are near to each other in the higher dimension, but still far apart in the lesser one. Or maybe it is a feature of spacetime we don't know about yet, but which is actually quite easy to use once one knows it. Think of communication in the real world - sound, a wave - using a different kind of wave and some other technology allows to communicate by voice from any part of the world to any other part of the world - in the end those are just waves, but people didn't know about those and would have deemed it impossible to communicate talking all across the globe nearly instantly.
 

Raliel

Raliel
Lysette said:
yeah, like that - bending or folding it that 2 locations in space are near to each other in the higher dimension, but still far apart in the lesser one. Or maybe it is a feature of spacetime we don't know about yet, but which is actually quite easy to use once one knows it. think of communication in the real word - sound, a wave - using a different kind of wave and some other technology allows to communicate by voice from any part of the world to any other part of the world - in the end those are just waves, but people didn't know about those and would have deemed it impossible to communicate talking all across the globe nearly instantly.
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this sounds remarkably like my straightline travel idea, where you travel in a mathematical straight line to destination, cutting across the space/time curve
 

Just

Just
Lysette said:
yeah, like that - bending or folding it that 2 locations in space are near to each other in the higher dimension, but still far apart in the lesser one. Or maybe it is a feature of spacetime we don't know about yet, but which is actually quite easy to use once one knows it. think of communication in the real world - sound, a wave - using a different kind of wave and some other technology allows to communicate by voice from any part of the world to any other part of the world - in the end those are just waves, but people didn't know about those and would have deemed it impossible to communicate talking all across the globe nearly instantly.
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Back to balloon: the process of creating a wormhole connecting two surface points is actually applying force to make them MOVE through a higher (3rd in this case) dimension, that is not visible or even possible to comprehend from 2D perspective.

Hyperspace, anyone?
 

Darth Ender

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So, if I had to think of "fast travel/hyperjump" on balloon surface, I would probably try to "push" origin and destination point on balloon (with my fingers ;) ) until they "touch" somewhere "inside" of the balloon.
As surface in 2D has indefinitely small "thickness" the actual travel after bending the space(surface) would be accordingly VERY short trip.

Seems like I could build stargates/teleports in this model only after reaching the other location in "classic" (surface travel) way. Because I need to apply the force/energy in both locations to make them "touch" themselves.

Not very effective :unsure:
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which is why those kinds of models dont work with FSD travel. You're not warping space (which is applying gravity) to create the path. hyperspace works like a navigable space in elite, connecting to normal space all over ...you just need to be able to find your endpoint ( which is discernable thru it's gravity in hyperspace) and lock onto it once in hyperspace. Then the distance to get to that endpoint depends on your FSD field flux. Larger ships require more energy to create the same flux (but are also capable of sustaining a larger magnitude than any smaller ship without destroying itself). Larger 3d distances require more energy to maintain the flux for long enough to create the same perceived time of travel. And it's important to the FSD nav computer that this time of travel remain consistent due to nav calculations. If it took unexpectedly longer, it could throw off the calculations due to the nature of hyperspace and cause you to lose lock on your destination ...leading to a mis jump. safety protocols in modern jump drives make this nearly impossible.

something along those lines seems believable.
 

Just

Just
Damn, I have my usual, strange physical sensations like every time I am trying to expand my "inner" model of universe/reality beyond the restraints injected in my early life ;)

Waves of goosebumps emanate from my neck through my back
and there is this feeling of tension in back of my head - like something was about to "crack".

Probably some kind of hardcoded mental prison 🤣
 

Lysette

Lysette
Raliel said:
this sounds remarkably like my straightline travel idea, where you travel in a mathematical straight line to destination, cutting across the space/time curve
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As long as we assume higher dimensions to be still Euclidian space, distances in higher dimensions are equally or even further apart than in the lesser dimension. For your idea to work, we would have to assume, that higher dimensions don't follow the properties of Euclidian space and distances are therefore quite different to distances in Euclidian space and that there could be a shorter distance because it is a different kind of space.
 
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Raliel

Raliel
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Damn, I have my usual, strange physical sensations like every time I am trying to expand my "inner" model of universe/reality beyond the restraints injected in my early life ;)

Waves of goosebumps emanate from my neck through my back
and there is this feeling of tension in back of my head - like something was about to "crack".

Probably some kind of hardcoded mental prison 🤣
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this reality is a prison, we have to break through it using our connection to the VOID
 

Darth Ender

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Damn, I have my usual, strange physical sensations like every time I am trying to expand my "inner" model of universe/reality beyond the restraints injected in my early life ;)

Waves of goosebumps emanate from my neck through my back
and there is this feeling of tension in back of my head - like something was about to "crack".

Probably some kind of hardcoded mental prison 🤣
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this is all fake nonsense. it makes about as much sense to talk about werewolves and cthulu being real.
 

Raliel

Raliel
Lysette said:
As long as we assume higher dimensions to be still Euclidian space, distances in higher dimensions are equally or even further part than in the lesser dimension. For your idea to work, we would have to assume, that higher dimensions don't follow the properties of Euclidian space and distances are therefore quite different to distances in Euclidian space and that there could be a shorter distance because it is a different kind of space.
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yup, basically space/time warps, not just in 4 dimensions but in others as well, around gravitational masses, a straight line through space/time enters a separate realm like a stone skipping off the surface of reality but in multiple dimensions... aaargh trying to put into words how it works in my head is hard... hence dolphin and whale minds as pilots. or rather the ship is now their body... some mad geniuses tried cephalopods, which are better at it, but the mind connections made the humans insane( sorry wrote this for a game years ago and it got stuck in my head a bit)
 

Just

Just
Darth Ender said:
this is all fake nonsense. it makes about as much sense to talk about werewolves and cthulu being real.
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Yeah, I assume my subconsciousness is abusing my fascination of "there is something more to reality" and is spicing all this fantasizing with some dramatic "special effects".

Well, I have a prank-loving gnome hidden somewhere deep, making fun of me like this occasionally.

Nothing to worry about, just one of many possible consequences of human brain being a multilayered construct.
 

Raliel

Raliel
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Yeah, I assume my subconsciousness is abusing my fascination of "there is something more to reality" and is spicing all this fantasizing with some dramatic "special effects".

Well, I have a prank-loving gnome hidden somewhere deep, making fun of me like this occasionally.
Nothing to worry about, just one of many possible consequences of human brain being a multilayered construct.
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I just hope, that one day, humanity catches up with my hypermind
 

Just

Just
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but then you'll just have to do all of that extra work of thinking of some other way you're special and not just like everyone else.
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As usual, the "optimal" solution is somewhere in between.

SOME people are special.
But not many ;)

This assumption still can fuel superiority complex if someone needs/likes it in his life,
and fixes some potential problems - e.g. makes one feel less lonely.

I would not stand having a model of reality in my head where I would think of myself as totally unique, even if it was bound with some superiority.
 

Raliel

Raliel
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As usual, the "optimal" solution is somewhere in between.

SOME people are special.
But not many ;)

This assumption still can fuel superiority complex if someone needs/likes it in his life,
and fixes some potential problems - e.g. makes one feel less lonely.

I would not stand having a model of reality in my head where I would think of myself as totally unique, even if it was bound with some superiority.
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In all seriousness (not the superiority thing) I am actually receiving therapy for pretty much this, and annoyingly on a lot of meds just to keep me coping. so it's a thing
 
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