Station shot me

Veszmadar

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I was on the way to Colonia for the engineers there, with 10 Osmium in the cargo hold.
Docked on a station in the Eagle nebula. Docking out, scanned some wake signals.
While thinking about whats next, an NPC scanned me, he wanted the osmium.
I was 10km away from the station, i turned back.
After this the station shot me. I had no weapons on the ship, i could not violate the no fire rule.
What happened?
 

CMDR Cknarf

CMDR Cknarf
Could it be that the station was attacking the hostile ship, but the ship killed you first?

Station guns also don't take friendlies into consideration if they're in the line of fire.

Loitering in a station will result in death, as will ramming and killing a neutral NPC in a panic.
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
Factabulous said:
Most people just mine it nearby in Colonia ....
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True but the OP isn't the only one. I hauled Escape Pods out too, as well as Osmium. That was mostly because I was already 1/3 the way to Colonia off Gnosis (which had my mining gear in outfitting) but still, why not? Oh ... ;)

In fact, to avoid the OP's problem maybe, having hauled to Colonia I landed 10km outside Dorn's base and drove the last bit. A pretty fun arrival.

o7
 

d8veh

d8veh
If you were shot inside the station, you forgot to get docking permission. if you were shot outside, you were a criminal. Your logfile will show exactly what happened and why. There's no reason to make a mystery out of these sort of things. File is in:
C:\Users\Me\Saved Games\Frontier Developments\Elite Dangerous
where "USER" is your Windows logon name if you have one otherwise USER by default.

To me it seems daft taking osmium all the way to Colonia, when you can get the 10T in about 2 minutes in the rings right outside Jacques station. everything you need for mining - ships and modules - are available in Jacques.
 
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Veszmadar

V
d8veh said:
If you were shot inside the station, you forgot to get docking permission. if you were shot outside, you were a criminal. Your logfile will show exactly what happened and why. There's no reason to make a mystery out of these sort of things. File is in:
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The Logs are funny...

{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:08:02Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"$npc_name_decorate:#name=StranglersIV;", "From_Localised":"StranglersIV", "Message":"$Pirate_ThreatenSpecific01:#units=1:#CommodityName=$osmium_Name;;", "Message_Localised":"Give me 1t of that Osmium you're carrying if you want to live.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:08:03Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"$npc_name_decorate:#name=StranglersIV;", "From_Localised":"StranglersIV", "Message":"$Pirate_ThreatenTimer04:#seconds=15;", "Message_Localised":"Start dumping that cargo. I'll give you... 15 seconds before I start shooting.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:08:13Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"$npc_name_decorate:#name=StranglersIV;", "From_Localised":"StranglersIV", "Message":"$Pirate_OnTargetFleeing03;", "Message_Localised":"Did I say you could leave?", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:08:13Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"Combat_Dogfight" }
{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:08:26Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"Eagle Sector Secure Facility", "Message":"$STATION_NoFireZone_entered_deployed;", "Message_Localised":"No fire zone entered, please stow your weapons.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:08:29Z", "event":"UnderAttack", "Target":"You" }
{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:08:32Z", "event":"Died" }
{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:08:41Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"MainMenu" }
{ "timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:09:26Z", "event":"Resurrect", "Option":"rebuy", "Cost":7854610, "Bankrupt":false }

So it looks like the NPC shot me? There was 3 seconds between "Under attack" and "Died". In a 'conda.
I resurrected in the same station, so i wasn't a criminal.
 

d8veh

d8veh
You came under attack from the pirate, but you went into the no fire zone with your weapons out, so I'd normally going guess that you were shooting back at the pirate, but you said that yo had no weapons. If one of your shots hit the station, the station would anihilate you. The station has weapons that one-shot your shields, so you don't last long once it starts. You had something deployed, otherwise the station wouldn't have asked you to stow your weapons. That could be the wake scanner. In the three seconds betwen getting that message and the station opening fire, you must have done something to trigger the station.
 
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MickyG1982

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d8veh said:
You came under attack from the pirate, but you went into the no fire zone with your weapons out, so I'd normally going guess that you were shooting back at the pirate, but you said that yo had no weapons. If one of your shots hit the station, the station would anihilate you. The station has weapons that one-shot your shields, so you don't last long once it starts. You had something deployed, otherwise the station wouldn't have asked you to stow your weapons. That could be the wake scanner. In the three seconds betwen getting that message and the station opening fire, you must have done something to trigger the station.
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Oh but he would possibly have had a weapon. At least one mining laser, firing that counts as firing any other weapon.
 

Veszmadar

V
I had my hardpoints deployed, i was scanning wake signals. Wanted to jump out. Bur no weapons or mining laser.
Anyway, thx for the help guys!
 

Esteban

E
Whether your ship has weapons or not, I believe that if hardpoints are deployed, you'll be in violation of the no-fire zone. I couldn't tell from your log whether the station or the NPC ship killed you. With your harpoints deployed, it could have been either.

In a situation like that it's easy to forget a detail and run afoul of the no-fire zone.
 

d8veh

d8veh
Esteban said:
Whether your ship has weapons or not, I believe that if hardpoints are deployed, you'll be in violation of the no-fire zone. I couldn't tell from your log whether the station or the NPC ship killed you. With your harpoints deployed, it could have been either.

In a situation like that it's easy to forget a detail and run afoul of the no-fire zone.
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He was killed by the station, which has weapons enough to take an Anaconda down in 3 secs. For the station to attack you, you have to comit a crime or shoot the station.Neither wer indicated.Maybe in his panic to stow his weapons he fired a limpet. He didn't say whether he was killed inside or outside the station. I'm pretty sure that you get instant death inside the station if you fire anything.

I can remember the last time I got killed in the station. My broken X52 got relplaced under warranty with an X52 Pro. First I went to take off, only to find the drivers didn't work, so I hastily loaded the new drivers.This time I was able to take off but all three axes on the stick were reversed, so I couldn't control the ship. I could only check that some of the buttons and hats worked before taking off. I then had the brilliant idea to turn the stick around to reverse the pitch and roll, but when I gripped it, the trigger was where I gripped which fired a shot, as I had hardpoints set to deploy with the trigger. I think my fully-engineered Corvette lasted about three seconds, not that I could control it enough to get out of the station anyway.
 

Esteban

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d8veh said:
He was killed by the station, which has weapons enough to take an Anaconda down in 3 secs.
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I'm not doubting your analysis. In post #4, OP mentions that (s)he was 6 to 7km away, so I presumed that it occurred outside the station. At first, I thought that the log was nondescript about whether it was the station or the NPC, but upon looking at it again, there was a notification to stow weapons that appears to have come from the station.
I agree that it isn't indicated in the log whether a crime was committed or if the station was shot but OP mentions in post #1 that no weapons were on the vessel.
 

Craith

Volunteer Moderator
Craith
Firing a weapon in the no fire zone will get you a fine, not a bounty, and the station won't shoot you over it (unless you scratched its paint, then may god have mercy because the station gunners won't). But he doesn't have a weapon, so this is a moot point anyhow. Deploying your hardpoints will get you a verbal warning, but no fine or other consequence.

I guess the station hit you when it tried to fire on the criminal. It could also be that the NPC got a lucky hit in, a jumpaconda is not exactly known for its durability, and if you have an undersized powerplant it might have oneshot it - depending on the ship, a FDL should be able to do it with a huge plasma. My money's still on the station though - next time type "Watch your fire, I am not the target!" in chat. My NPC pilots seems to think it helps.
 

d8veh

d8veh
Although OP had no weapons, he did have two point defence, which are essentially missile launchers. I've got a feeling that they might have something to do with it, as they go off automatically when there's any missile or hatch-breaker limpet in the vicinity, no matter who fired them. I can see all sorts of scenarios where the PD could hit the station.

Here's his present ship build, presumably after he took off the mining lasers:

EDSY

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