Steam reviews

CommanderGreyFox · Dec 31, 2015

I feel like the steam reviews of horizon are misleading. As it stand the positive user reviews are at 72%, yet if you look at all the reviews on the game front page, they're all negative.these review are from what I can see people who
a. Want something for free
b. People moaning about content. (Personally I understand this. Elite is full of stuff to do. You just have to go looking for it. Have goals for the play session. Anyway I'm getting side tracked)
c. Having to wait for content.
One of the front page reviews is from a guy who has play 0.9hrs.
Firstly I don't understand the hate elite is getting and secondly steam needs to show positives as well a negative. As it stands someone thinking about buying might be put off.

sbdags · Dec 31, 2015

Yes but this was inevitable given the state of Horizons. I've clocked about 90 hours in Horizons of which an hour involved planetary landing. FD need to learn that there needs to be far more content added for a full price game cost. And I'm a die hard fan.

I honestly couldn't recommend Horizons right now. I'm telling my friends to buy ED for a tenner instead and wait for Horizons to do much more first.

CommanderGreyFox · Dec 31, 2015

sbdags said:
Yes but this was inevitable given the state of Horizons. I've clocked about 90 hours in Horizons of which an hour involved planetary landing. FD need to learn that there needs to be far more content added for a full price game cost. And I'm a die hard fan.

I honestly couldn't recommend Horizons right now. I'm telling my friends to buy ED for a tenner instead and wait for Horizons to do much more first.

its a fair point. But again it's a season of content. As someone who's been playing since beta, I understand how it work. Maybe FD need to be clearer in their marketing.
But again the front is full of negative even though the game is on 72% positive.

Spookyy · Dec 31, 2015

If you release a DLC/Exp/Seasonpass at full price that's lacking in content you will get spanked in reviews.

Swordfish_01 · Dec 31, 2015

Check out a few of the other popular games on Steam. YOu will find exactly the same thing. Positive reviews and you check and the first 5 pages of reviews are negative. I find steam the most negative of discussion groups and also ALOT of whining in every game discussion.

Tuub t Tute · Dec 31, 2015

I believe this may have already been discussed before. The irony of a new thread being made, to open up a discussion on why Horizons is getting bad reviews on the front page of Steam is not lost on me; even if my participation has bumped it

sbdags · Dec 31, 2015

I've been here since beta too. We went through a lot to get the Base game to where it is now. However Horizons is never worth 40 quid in its current state and even with the planned expansion. Adding planets is wonderful but if there is nothing to really do on them then they are a wasted opportunity. We need to start seeing much more unique content. Planet bases should be offering unique CGs, racing tournaments, ship sales, specials on equipment, exploration missions, rescue missing people, etc. Give me a reason to go. I really don't have any.

I know it is early access but this season is not worth more than 19.99 as a season pass.

Hawkmoon · Dec 31, 2015

Spookyy said:
If you release a DLC/Exp/Seasonpass at full price that's lacking in content you will get spanked in reviews.

Only by those who did not read what they were buying, if ED had said that everthing that would be included inn Horizons would be there on day one that would be bad. But they pretty much said exctly what there would be and what would follow later, so once again these people are:

a) they read what was going to be included and when that got that they complained that they wanted more on day one.

b) they did not read what they were buying and then complained.

There is no excuse or reason to complain when you get what you were told you would get and anyone who is an apologist for people like this is a stupid as they are.

There is a performance issue for some players with certain hard wear that is being dealt with and fair enough these people are getting a bit ratty (they are not getting what was promised), but for the rest ...GROW UP IT IS JUST A GAME

EddyRockSteady · Dec 31, 2015

CommanderGreyFox said:
its a fair point. But again it's a season of content..

What content?

Is there a definitive road-map posted somewhere?

grammatonfeather · Dec 31, 2015

CommanderGreyFox said:
I feel like the steam reviews of horizon are misleading. As it stand the positive user reviews are at 72%, yet if you look at all the reviews on the game front page, they're all negative.these review are from what I can see people who
a. Want something for free
b. People moaning about content. (Personally I understand this. Elite is full of stuff to do. You just have to go looking for it. Have goals for the play session. Anyway I'm getting side tracked)
c. Having to wait for content.
One of the front page reviews is from a guy who has play 0.9hrs.
Firstly I don't understand the hate elite is getting and secondly steam needs to show positives as well a negative. As it stands someone thinking about buying might be put off.

I recently came to the conclusion that Elite is in the unusual position of being a frame-work that represents different things to different people. It's unfinished and so people naturally want to influence development to incorporate their needs.

Braben I believe is an engineer and has an engineer's perspective. For him Horizons S1 was about finally adding planetary landings to Elite since people had wanted that even back to the 84 version. He also developed and perfected the SRV and it's actually very well designed. It's fun to drive and launch into the air. I think working that into gameplay wasn't a priority for him with his engineer mindset. Thus the planet missions could be a whole lot better but nevertheless I am someone who regards Elite as a space flight sim and share Braben's interest in engineering detail. So for me the whole thing is a lot of fun especially with VR.

Anyway... Because Elite is this unfinished frame-work... it seems especially susceptible to attack from numpties and grumpies. There are many numpty reviews on steam from people who thought they were getting a story with cut-scenes.

Numpties who want all training to be given in-game.

Numpties who find docking impossible.

Numpties who can't find anything to do because they only understand linear story-telling.

Grumpies with high levels of anxiety who bought Elite primarily to pick apart and complain about.

Grumpies who can't relax and enjoy anything because all they see are deficiencies.

Some of the steam-based numpties are unbelievable dumb. I once saw a review on steam of Ark: Survival. A game out for less than one year and in Alpha. Numpty said this: "this game is terrible, where do I begin? It's not well optimised, runs poorly on my i3 with 8gb ram and GTX 750, do not buy this game!"

Yes, there are numpties who don't understand early access or "alpha".

There are reasonable requests for improvements from some on frontier forum but this place also has its share of rage complainers.

Privata · Dec 31, 2015

EddyRockSteady said:
What content?

Is there a definitive road-map posted somewhere?

No , they said they dont want to do road maps.
thing is that was during beta (last year not this years) and at that time we were getting new content often.
now I have no idea were they are going or if I am going to like what they bring.
I loved season 1 but I did feel that powerplay is the bases of an awesome thing but its just not finished (or rather not fleshed out)
I have played 1000s of hours of elite and will continue to , but I think it would be nice for them to at least give us a vague idea of what is happening.

of course beyond just telling us ''multicrew is a thing'' what I want to know is what else , what is going to be improved :
AI?
Graphics?
SC?
and so on

CommanderGreyFox · Dec 31, 2015

grammatonfeather said:
I recently came to the conclusion that Elite is in the unusual position of being a frame-work that represents different things to different people. It's unfinished and so people naturally want to influence development to incorporate their needs.

Braben I believe is an engineer and has an engineer's perspective. For him Horizons S1 was about finally adding planetary landings to Elite since people had wanted that even back to the 84 version. He also developed and perfected the SRV and it's actually very well designed. It's fun to drive and launch into the air. I think working that into gameplay wasn't a priority for him with his engineer mindset. Thus the planet missions could be a whole lot better but nevertheless I am someone who regards Elite as a space flight sim and share Braben's interest in engineering detail. So for me the whole thing is a lot of fun especially with VR.

Anyway... Because Elite is this unfinished frame-work... it seems especially susceptible to attack from numpties and grumpies. There are many numpty reviews on steam from people who thought they were getting a story with cut-scenes.

Numpties who want all training to be given in-game.

Numpties who find docking impossible.

Numpties who can't find anything to do because they only understand linear story-telling.

Grumpies with high levels of anxiety who bought Elite primarily to pick apart and complain about.

Grumpies who can't relax and enjoy anything because all they see are deficiencies.

Some of the steam-based numpties are unbelievable dumb. I once saw a review on steam of Ark: Survival. A game out for less than one year and in Alpha. Numpty said this: "this game is terrible, where do I begin? It's not well optimised, runs poorly on my i3 with 8gb ram and GTX 750, do not buy this game!"

Yes, there are numpties who don't understand early access or "alpha".

There are reasonable requests for improvements from some on frontier forum but this place also has its share of rage complainers.

have some rep, you've pretty much said what I think. But again for people who have misread my post. I'm not bothered that it's getting negative reviews. That's that person right to

and moan. My point is, why on the front of steam, only nagative reviews are show. The game is reviewing at 72% positive.

MrRixter · Dec 31, 2015

CommanderGreyFox said:
have some rep, you've pretty much said what I think. But again for people who have misread my post. I'm not bothered that it's getting negative reviews. That's that person right to and moan. My point is, why on the front of steam, only nagative reviews are show. The game is reviewing at 72% positive.

OK here is what's happening: People are unhappy about Frontier and Elite dangerous in general so they refuse to buy horizons. Instead they upvote the negative reviews. Reviews with many upvotes appear on the top. You have to own a game to be able to write a review about it but you can upvote or downvote written reviews without owning anything.

KidA39 · Dec 31, 2015

I believe this has more to do with a group of individuals who went and up-voted all the negative reviews in protest of Frontier's pricing model.

Alex Brentnall · Dec 31, 2015

This was discussed and locked before.

There was a reddit group of people looking to get the price lowered - I believe it was based off one person that believed that the initial 2.0 release was all they were getting instead of a season of content. In any case many hundreds downvoted all the positive reviews and upvoted all the negative ones to make them appear first despite the majority of reviews being positive.
Steam did moderate the voting and got rid of a lot, especially those that hadn't bought the game but had up/down voted on every single review.

There is still the legacy of that activity explaining why the negative reviews still show first. This may be altered later as other reviews get properly voted upon as helpful/unhelpful. In any case I personally think the whole thing is a big internet hat waving contest to see who has the biggest hat. I cannot bring myself to care too much since any people who have an inkling of intelligence take steam and meta-critic reviews with a big pinch of salt anyway.

the100thmonkey · Dec 31, 2015

I don't want people who make their buying decisions based on Steam reviews to play this game.

grammatonfeather · Dec 31, 2015

CommanderGreyFox said:
have some rep, you've pretty much said what I think. But again for people who have misread my post. I'm not bothered that it's getting negative reviews. That's that person right to and moan. My point is, why on the front of steam, only nagative reviews are show. The game is reviewing at 72% positive.

Thanks!

When I look at a game on steam the first thing I do is filter by "most recent". Unfortunately for Horizons that yields a whole series of hostile rants!

Cmdr_Prussian · Dec 31, 2015

sbdags said:
Yes but this was inevitable given the state of Horizons. I've clocked about 90 hours in Horizons of which an hour involved planetary landing. FD need to learn that there needs to be far more content added for a full price game cost. And I'm a die hard fan.

I honestly couldn't recommend Horizons right now. I'm telling my friends to buy ED for a tenner instead and wait for Horizons to do much more first.

Totally agree. Horizons gives you nothing to do and people shouldn't buy it. I would feel guilty if I talked my friends into buying it. People should wait until it has been patched and further developed and is on sale for about 10$, as thats what its actually worth. People buying now I consider as donators and supporters of the game alllowing FD to continue. But if I view them as customers, its a simple ripoff.

Not saying port to 64 and whole planetary landings thing wasnt a lot of effort, but not a lot of gameplay did pour out of it (yet), which is a good example for horrible use of development ressources. In probably about half the development time we could have all base game issues addressed plus more, so...

JeffRyan · Dec 31, 2015

Personally I am so sick and tired of the folks moaning about the price of the season.

It's an MMO (although some of you are combining WoW and EVE for some strange definition of MMO in my opinion) and you get to play it for absolutely no extra cost other than the tenner it now costs for the full game. For the extra money you get the full game and all new expansions.

The sense of entitlement I see EVERYWHERE is ridiculous.

Compare this to ANY OTHER MMO. Or a ship in the Other Game.

Ydiss · Dec 31, 2015

The way I see it is I pity individuals who need the opinion of totally random people on the Internet to make their minds up about whether to buy a computer game.