Still as Inconvenient as Possible to Play

Jex =TE=

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Blackcompany said:
That's what I have gone back to. Strictly hands off, pending actual results from Beyond.

Unfortunately, based on what I hear of Engineering"Improvement" it...doesn't look good.
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The default position, given FDev's track record is to assume they won't deliver because of how many failures they already have (BTW that £100,000 CQC prize money never went anywhere...) so yes, unfortunately FDev's track record speaks for itself and I'm not surprised the Engineering imrpovement doesn't look good.

I think the surprise will be that FDev actually deliver deeper gameplay and if they do, that will be on hell of a great surprise and it's what I'm hoping for :)
 

KellyR

KellyR
Alodia said:
Yeah, no logic in having an absolute baseline game mechanic - where to buy ships or modules - available in game, right? Better to fly aimlessly from station to station across endless systems or start digging through a bunch of 3rd party websites instead.

Do you think it makes sense for the devs to have spent so much time and effort making this game work amazingly in vr, only to completely ruin the experience due to having to remove the helmet every 10 minutes to find out from a website where an item/ship/module is located?

If you want an even slightly less "you gotta be kidding me" experience, you have to buy ovrdrop for vive or make use of the recent oculus additions.

Hardly the "I want it now" crowd, unless you mean "I want the absolute bare minimum feature in a game about spaceships to allow me to modify my spaceship to exist" crowd.
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Forgive me here. I don't and never have owned a VR headset. But do you have to remove the headset when you tab out? Shouldn't the video from your desktop go to the headset? If you are a decent typer you shouldn't need to look at your hands to type.

And yeah, VRNoob big time here.
 

-VR- Max Factor

-VR- Max Factor
KellyR said:
Forgive me here. I don't and never have owned a VR headset. But do you have to remove the headset when you tab out? Shouldn't the video from your desktop go to the headset? If you are a decent typer you shouldn't need to look at your hands to type.

And yeah, VRNoob big time here.
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No it doesn't work like that unfortunatly.
 
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Blackcompany

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Max Factor said:
Personally I would prefer in-game tools then that, so that is what I use. Even though they are far from perfect, I don't want my desktop viewable when flying my ship.
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Except game tools can't tell you where to find ships or modules...so, you either alt+tab out, or waste entire nights using 19th century "leg it and hope" techniques in a game set in the (technologically regressive) 32nd century...

Cause that makes sense...
 

Jex =TE=

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Max Factor said:
Personally I would prefer in-game tools then that, so that is what I use. Even though they are far from perfect, I don't want my desktop viewable when flying my ship.
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I wasn't saying it would be viewable when flying your ship - the option to be abale to view your desktop at all or alt-tab to it seems a little shortsighted.
 

-VR- Max Factor

-VR- Max Factor
Blackcompany said:
Except game tools can't tell you where to find ships or modules...so, you either alt+tab out, or waste entire nights using 19th century "leg it and hope" techniques in a game set in the (technologically regressive) 32nd century...

Cause that makes sense...
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You can get a rough idea, but not th exact ships. I know that and have said a number of times that I wouldn't mind a similar thing for ships and modules like what we will be getting for trade.
 

Alodia

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KellyR said:
Forgive me here. I don't and never have owned a VR headset. But do you have to remove the headset when you tab out? Shouldn't the video from your desktop go to the headset? If you are a decent typer you shouldn't need to look at your hands to type.

And yeah, VRNoob big time here.
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yeah as others have already said, doesn't work depending on headset. oculus has the newish dash feature which allows you to open websites in the headset, but nothing like that is built into vive. there's the beta V tool which doesn't work for everyone, or ovrdrop (which is a program available on steam) which (mostly) does the job - but again, can be erratic being a third party tool being launched over what is essentially the game interface.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
KellyR said:
Forgive me here. I don't and never have owned a VR headset. But do you have to remove the headset when you tab out? Shouldn't the video from your desktop go to the headset? If you are a decent typer you shouldn't need to look at your hands to type.

And yeah, VRNoob big time here.
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It depends upon what VR device you have.

For example, there is a button on the left side of the Vive headset that will bring your PC's desktop, among other things, when you press it. Tab over to your web browser, and you'll be able to check out 3rd party sites if you feel the need to.

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Glances up at the above post. I was going to mention that I don't think the Oculus Rift has something similar...
 
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Alodia

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Darkfyre99 said:
It depends upon what VR device you have.

For example, there is a button on the left side of the Vive headset that will bring your PC's desktop, among other things, when you press it. Tab over to your web browser, and you'll be able to check out 3rd party sites if you feel the need to.

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Glances up at the above post. I was going to mention that I don't think the Oculus Rift has something similar...
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you know, i've never been able to get that button to do anything beyond make what i'm looking at go black. seems to be a common thing, but i always did wonder what that was supposed to do.
 

KellyR

KellyR
Well, there is Microsoft's Mixed Reality. Headsets aren't as heavy as the Occulus or Vive. You do need SteamVr to make it work but you don't need a Steam Key. Not sure if you can tab out to the Cliff House but I would think so. I plan to get a Samsung Odyssey when My tax return gets back. But not from Amazon. They're pricing themselves out of business. I can get it for $200.00 cheaper at Best Buy.
 

Alodia

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KellyR said:
Well, there is Microsoft's Mixed Reality. Headsets aren't as heavy as the Occulus or Vive. You do need SteamVr to make it work but you don't need a Steam Key. Not sure if you can tab out to the Cliff House but I would think so. I plan to get a Samsung Odyssey when My tax return gets back. But not from Amazon. They're pricing themselves out of business. I can get it for $200.00 cheaper at Best Buy.
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i'm waiting on the new wire free vives (well, the add on kit for the old model so i can pull the wires out of the one i have). unless you hook up some rails ovehead with hooks on them, anything involving playing standing up is a nightmare (there is of course a steam app for wire tangles too - turnsignal). thankfully none of that is needed for elite, but even a lack of wires would make the old helmet on / off a fair bit less aggravating.
 

KaizoMK

KaizoMK
I will say that it's pretty irritating that I went to an industrial system with 2 billion people in it and they don't have a reasonable selection of modules to choose from. I'm gonna use the 3rd party method because I actually want to get to playing the game, and I'm full on throwing my hat into "please allow some in-game way of finding modules that we're looking for thanks".
 

KellyR

KellyR
My only problem with the Vive (and the Occulus as well) is the weight. I've changed my mind and am going with the Acer because it's less than 1 pound. Also the Rift and the Vive have resolutions of 2160X1200 (1080X1200 per eye). MS Mixed Reality sets have a resolution of 2880X1440 (1440X1440 per eye) except the Samsung Odyssey which has 2880X1600 (1440X1600 per eye). The Odyssey is about bit more than 22 ounces, where the Acer model is a bit more than 12 ounces. The Rift weighs a bit more than 16 ounces and the Vive a bit more than 19 ounces. I want as little weight on my face and head as possible. And seeing as I'll be sitting down controlling a space craft most of the time, the wires aren't going to bother me.
 
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Anachronda

Anachronda
Ydiss said:
It's one of the "reasons" some people said trade data wasn't available remotely. FD obviously disagree with this reason.

I'm 99% sure that the reason we don't have these features is because they're low priority (that it took FD over four years to introduce trade tools confirms that, for me). And the main reason they're low priority is because we have third party tools.

I've never let that bother me like it bothers the OP. I've just used the third party tools. Like the vast majority of people in this thread do, most likely.

It just comes across so disingenuous when they say "it's realistic" or "you just want it handed to you on a plate" or whatever flimsy excuse they trot out to justify the current design.

It's a self confirming circle... We have limited information in game for a number of mechanics. Most of us use third party tools to get that information freely and quickly. It's therefore a truism to say the game would be improved with enhanced tools to get that information. To claim otherwise is only valid if we assume no one uses the third party tools.

The only valid argument against the OP is to say FD shouldn't prioritise in game tools because we have third party tools. But there is no valid argument against the OP's opinion that it's counter intuitive to their enjoyment of the game that they use third party tools.

They're absolutely correct. The tools make the game easier to enjoy (in the context of someone who doesn't mind minimising the game to get information). For anyone who doesn't want to use third party tools, their enjoyment can be significantly reduced.

If it was fun trawling through systems to get what we need via educated guesswork, then no one would use third party tools to circumnavigate this "game play".
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Trade data IS available remotely. So is system data. You may have to buy it, but not only is it there, you can easily get it, right on the map. You can also see and compare prices for systems you have data on in the commodities market.
I don't mind using third party tools, myself, either. I pretty much agree with you. It's not the lack so much as the response the OP got that bugged me.
 
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Knightshark

Knightshark
Alex Brentnall said:
Hears about improvements coming soon.
Tries game out before improvements have arrived.
Complains it's not improved.

Slow clap, top draw!
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Oh, so they are planning to fix this annoyance? They do right? I will not have to use eddb.io to buy ships and modules because the ingame methods of finding them are 80% random? Sure! ...
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Wait, they aren't going to fix that?

Oh, well. Slow clap, Alex.
 

Anachronda

Anachronda
Darkfyre99 said:
It depends upon what VR device you have.

For example, there is a button on the left side of the Vive headset that will bring your PC's desktop, among other things, when you press it. Tab over to your web browser, and you'll be able to check out 3rd party sites if you feel the need to.

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Glances up at the above post. I was going to mention that I don't think the Oculus Rift has something similar...
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It definitely does, or so they seem to claim. They call it Dash. I was trying to find a direct link, but all I see is a video I can't directly link. It's on this page, though (kinda buried) https://www.oculus.com/rift/
 
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