Still waiting to be proven wrong...

DeletedUser191218

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...on fleet carriers that is. I was absolutely mullered when I said I'll not believe fleet carriers until I see them. Seems I wasn't entirely wrong to adopt that position.

This isn't a 'told you so' post. They may well still arrive in Q2 2020. But I really have no faith in Fdev's development timetables now. They lost any benefit of doubt with me. I fully expect the 2020 update to be very delayed. I'd genuinely be (pleasantly) surprised to see it before June 2021. I guess we will see. I wonder how long people will keep tolerating the lack of development. For those still enjoying the game - glad it has enough for you. For me, lack of much to do combined with the little amount of content being broken means this game is still unplayable. Overall, this game has gone from huge potential to being a huge disappointment. I don't know any other game that's shot so far low of it's potential.

Fingers crossed for some progress by the end of next year.
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
Rambojambo said:
...on fleet carriers that is. I was absolutely mullered when I said I'll not believe fleet carriers until I see them. Seems I wasn't entirely wrong to adopt that position.

This isn't a 'told you so' post. They may well still arrive in Q2 2020. But I really have no faith in Fdev's development timetables now. They lost any benefit of doubt with me. I fully expect the 2020 update to be very delayed. I'd genuinely be (pleasantly) surprised to see it before June 2021. I guess we will see. I wonder how long people will keep tolerating the lack of development. For those still enjoying the game - glad it has enough for you. For me, lack of much to do combined with the little amount of content being broken means this game is still unplayable. Overall, this game has gone from huge potential to being a huge disappointment. I don't know any other game that's shot so far low of it's potential.

Fingers crossed for some progress by the end of next year.
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Never have so many posts
On the same topic
Missed the point so entirely

This change is not Frontier's fault, it's the community's, and you sitting on your high horse talking about how you've lost faith in their timetable when it was the influence of the playerbase that drove FD to derail their plans, is patently unfair to Frontier.

You're damning them if they do and damning them if they don't.
 

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JesusRocks1988 said:
Never have so many posts
On the same topic
Missed the point so entirely

This change is not Frontier's fault, it's the community's, and you sitting on your high horse talking about how you've lost faith in their timetable when it was the influence of the playerbase that drove FD to derail their plans, is patently unfair to Frontier.

You're damning them if they do and damning them if they don't.
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It was the community's fault the game is riddled with bugs that need fixed. Sure. Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
Rambojambo said:
It was the community's fault the game is riddled with bugs that need fixed. Sure. Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?
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That's very far from the meaning of what I posted.
Bugs get fixed over time. The community wasn't happy with the pace and have influenced Frontier into changing their plans, thus creating a delay.

So the community moans about the bugs - that's fine.

Then moans when development time has to come away from other things to fix the bugs. - this is not fine.
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
Vandaahl said:
You just removed Rambo from the horse and put the playerbase on it...
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Well when a portion of the playerbase basically says "WE DEMAND you fix the bugs" as the #1 priority over everything else. (How many times do you see people saying that they don't want new content until the game is stable? Loads.)
And Frontier complies, but can't give 100% of their attention to the new content AND 100% of their attention to bug fixing, something has to give.

And to throw excrement at FD for that is not on.
 

DeletedUser191218

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JesusRocks1988 said:
That's very far from the meaning of what I posted.
Bugs get fixed over time. The community wasn't happy with the pace and have influenced Frontier into changing their plans, thus creating a delay.

So the community moans about the bugs - that's fine.

Then moans when development time has to come away from other things to fix the bugs. - this is not fine.
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The updates shouldn't have gone out in the state they did in the first place. My point was that I didn't have faith ED would deliver FC in December and I was correct. I still don't have confidence they will release them next year, or the 2020 update will be within 24 months. I don't think FDev can do it. They make a mess of fairly small updates so I really don't see them fulfilling these commitments. I'm happy to be wrong.
 

DeletedUser191218

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JesusRocks1988 said:
Well when a portion of the playerbase basically says "WE DEMAND you fix the bugs" as the #1 priority over everything else. (How many times do you see people saying that they don't want new content until the game is stable? Loads.)
And Frontier complies, but can't give 100% of their attention to the new content AND 100% of their attention to bug fixing, something has to give.

And to throw excrement at FD for that is not on.
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Will throw excrement as I see fit. I can think bug fixes are an appropriate course of action and still maintain I do not have any faith in Fdev's ability to develop good, stable, playable content...because they have failed almost every time. There is no inconsistency here.
 

Vandaahl

Vandaahl
JesusRocks1988 said:
Well when a portion of the playerbase basically says "WE DEMAND you fix the bugs" as the #1 priority over everything else. (How many times do you see people saying that they don't want new content until the game is stable? Loads.)
And Frontier complies, but can't give 100% of their attention to the new content AND 100% of their attention to bug fixing, something has to give.

And to throw excrement at FD for that is not on.
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Oh I'm not throwing anything at them. Game is mostly fine as it is for me.
Whatever it is that happened this evening, Frontier bought themselves 6 months, and the 'Community' is happy, so its a win-win :)
 

MDHansen

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I'd take a period with fixing and redoing wrongs over a bugridden update (that then needs 6-12 months of patching) any day.
I've been asking this for 2.5 years.

Edit: I don't expect them to fix more than a fraction of the issues.
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
Rambojambo said:
The updates shouldn't have gone out in the state they did in the first place. My point was that I didn't have faith ED would deliver FC in December and I was correct. I still don't have confidence they will release them next year, or the 2020 update will be within 24 months. I don't think FDev can do it. They make a mess of fairly small updates so I really don't see them fulfilling these commitments. I'm happy to be wrong.
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I agree the updates shouldn't have gone out in the state they did. But lots of bugs have been fixed and continue to do so (at a pace that displeases players), and if the playerbase hadn't demanded FD drop everything and shift their bug fixes to the front rather than trickle them in with every patch (I use trickle loosely here, there are hundreds of fixes usually), then they would have kept to their December update with the fleet carriers.

Because look, now the December update is all about the bugs rather than giving us the fleet carriers.

I don't agree with the delay at all. I was happy for the bug fixes to be trickled in with the content updates. But I'm not going to throw the blame at FD. I'll throw it where it belongs - right at the community.
 

DeletedUser191218

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Vandaahl said:
Oh I'm not throwing anything at them. Game is mostly fine as it is for me.
Whatever it is that happened this evening, Frontier bought themselves 6 months, and the 'Community' is happy, so meh :)
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Such as it is. It's only a game at the end of the day. I just regret having given them as long as I did. ESO's Elsweyr update is good. That's keeping me busy in game time right now.😁
 

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Well, they can still implement the occasional NPC Fleet Carrier messing a few guys up or representing a Scenario, right?

So in a sense, they could still put the assets into the Game and make them do their thing.

Players just couldn't own and operate them. Almost like CapShips.
Just need to come up with a few Scenarios (Signal Sources?) for them to shine and make a nice show. Better than nothing, right?
(assuming that the barebone asset is finished and at least able to a) arrive in some Signal Source, b) have NPCs depart/dock and c) use its Weapons)

Should make for some nice Distress Signal/Weapons Fire Detected - Threat [4-9] Signal Sources with minimal effort ;)
....technically speaking, "we'd still get Carriers" to drool over. Just calling one of these beasts your own needs more time then. But enough to show off and make you want one.

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I've added the Idea as as Suggestion into the big Announcement Thread, because I think that could work just nicely.

ANNOUNCEMENT - Community Update (22/10)

Greetings Commanders, Following the launch of the September Update last month, we’d like to provide you all with an update on our plans for Elite Dangerous. Firstly, thank you for all of your feedback on the September Update, which you've shared with us on the forums, across social media, on...
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JesusRocks1988 said:
I agree the updates shouldn't have gone out in the state they did. But lots of bugs have been fixed and continue to do so (at a pace that displeases players), and if the playerbase hadn't demanded FD drop everything and shift their bug fixes to the front rather than trickle them in with every patch (I use trickle loosely here, there are hundreds of fixes usually), then they would have kept to their December update with the fleet carriers.

Because look, now the December update is all about the bugs rather than giving us the fleet carriers.

I don't agree with the delay at all. I was happy for the tbig fixes to be trickled in with the updates. But I'm not going to throw the blame at FD. I'll throw it where it belongs - right at the community.
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For whatever reason FDev seem incapable of releasing an update in a stable condition. They are also evidently not able to fix bugs and work on content. This may just be purely about resource limitations, in which case maybe the game is just too ambitious for FDev to cope with. These things happen. All it will take is one more lucrative franchise and any future content will be deprioritised again.
 

MDHansen

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JesusRocks1988 said:
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I don't agree with the delay at all. I was happy for the bug fixes to be trickled in with the content updates. But I'm not going to throw the blame at FD. I'll throw it where it belongs - right at the community.
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So... you blame the community for asking the developers to fix their game, instead of delivering a half baked, half arxed update that is gonna need 6+ months of updates trickled in to fix what it broke. Right :unsure:
 
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