Still waiting to be proven wrong...

DeletedUser191218

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MDHansen said:
So... you blame the community for asking the developers to fix their game, instead of delivering a half baked, half arxed update that is gonna need 6+ months of updates trickled in to fix what it broke. Right :unsure:
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Customers being blamed for a broken product is a new one on me.
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
MDHansen said:
So... you blame the community for asking the developers to fix their game, instead of delivering a half baked, half arxed update that is gonna need 6+ months of updates trickled in to fix what it broke. Right :unsure:
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Sort of. I am just very unhappy to see the community (as an entity) get what it's asked for and then tell FD they're terrible for doing it.
 

CMDR Big Mike

CMDR Big Mike
JesusRocks1988 said:
That's very far from the meaning of what I posted.
Bugs get fixed over time. The community wasn't happy with the pace and have influenced Frontier into changing their plans, thus creating a delay.

So the community moans about the bugs - that's fine.

Then moans when development time has to come away from other things to fix the bugs. - this is not fine.
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There’s literally no reason to miss such a big deadline, especially not by 6 months, especially when they already pushed it back 12 months.

bugs should’ve been fixed over the course of the year and in testing before releasing patches. There is no doubt the game is being mismanaged. The playerbase is hardly responsible for that
 

DeletedUser191218

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JesusRocks1988 said:
Sort of. I am just very unhappy to see the community (as an entity) get what it's asked for and then tell FD they're terrible for doing it.
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I think you have to view it in a wider context. Is this decision right at this time? Probably. But it's in light of a repeated history of snailpace development and terrible implementation.
 

Vandaahl

Vandaahl
JesusRocks1988 said:
Sort of. I am just very unhappy to see the community (as an entity) get what it's asked for and then tell FD they're terrible for doing it.
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Now it is starting to become confusing. There is a Community and a "Community". One is happy the other one is not, or at least thats what I gather from it.
 

DeletedUser191218

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Vandaahl said:
Now it is starting to become confusing. There is a Community and a "Community". One is happy the other one is not, or at least thats what I gather from it.
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I think the defence is of this particular decision. What I would like to have seen is management bring in devs on a 12 month contract to fix bugs and allow the perm team to focus on content - that's what I would expect most firms to do. They're clearly stretching the devs way too thin to cope. It's not the devs' fault - it's management decisions.
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
Bleh, ignore me, I'm just being a grumpy, tired old (young?) man tonight. I don't mean to cause an argument and I'm not usually this belligerent. I guess I just don't know how to take this news myself really...
 

DeletedUser191218

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JesusRocks1988 said:
Bleh, ignore me, I'm just being a grumpy, tired old (young?) man tonight. I don't mean to cause an argument and I'm not usually this belligerent. I guess I just don't know how to take this news myself really...
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I think everyone is a bit tired and grumpy waiting waiting for sincere progress in the game. There's no point in us all arguing. I'm sure everyone wants the game to get there. Some of us have just given up on it.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
If the only ship I could fly in this game was the Cobra (going back to 1984 roots), I would be happy, and I don't even own a Cobra!

You people are all spoiled :p

Now bugs, on the other hand, these NEED to be fixed. Two CTDs and an empty CZ at the CG tonight are damaging my fun.
 

Dutchman141

Dutchman141
The biggest gripe I have is that bugs don't get fixed at all.
Yeah the big ones after each content update, they were getting fixed but the pile of smaller or mediocre bugs just kept on growing, just take a look at the issue tracker.

You can't blame the community for wanting those bugs fixed rather than new content adding more bugs to the growing pile.
If there's one to blame then it's Fdev for lacking in quality controll and prioritising their time between bug fixing and creating new content.
Their decision to delay the FCs is bitter yes, it realy shouldn't have been necessary if they had made a different time table keeping more bug fixing into account.

Nevertheless I am happy they did make the choice to concentrate on ironing out the game before adding new content.
Is it ideal? No but imho it's better for the future of the game.
If FCs would've been released in December and even more bugs would've been added or the game being totaly broken again, during Xmas of all times, then slowly but surely ED would become known as a bugfest and best to be avoided, that would be realy bad for everyone imho.
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
Rambojambo said:
...on fleet carriers that is. I was absolutely mullered when I said I'll not believe fleet carriers until I see them. Seems I wasn't entirely wrong to adopt that position.

This isn't a 'told you so' post.
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Rewriting history already? :whistle:
Rambojambo said:
I was right, you were wrong
It's almost June 2019 and still no indication of fleet carriers. Evidently they were not delayed but cancelled. FDev did nothing to clarify this, again opting to mislead the player base in order to generate revenue.
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ANNOUNCEMENT - Gamescom Reveals - Fleet Carrier Details

Hello everyone, In a similar fashion to our Lavecon 2019 reveals, we wanted to give all of you who couldn't join us at our Gamescom Frontier Community Meet a rundown of all the details that just dropped... or should we say hauled in here by the aid of... a Fleet Carrier! December Update - The...
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ANNOUNCEMENT - Community Update (22/10)

Greetings Commanders, Following the launch of the September Update last month, we’d like to provide you all with an update on our plans for Elite Dangerous. Firstly, thank you for all of your feedback on the September Update, which you've shared with us on the forums, across social media, on...
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TL;DR:
Indication of fleet carriers ✅
Delayed, not cancelled ✅
FDev clarified this ✅
Details of Fleet Carriers ✅
Footage of Fleet Carriers ✅
Rambojambo being right, not wrong? ❌

:cool:
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
One may ask himself the question "Why the're not releasing FC in December (we're almost there right?) and take the full 2020 to fix all bugs instead? Isn't this a win-win solution?" 😗
Well to me it's obvious that they accumulated lots of delays and they're not ready to release FC anyway. The community with the open letter gave them the justification for another delay. Which is not so bad if they actually FIX the bugs.

Uhm... wait a sec... wasn't 2018 and 2019 already planned for bugs fix? Oops...
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
JesusRocks1988 said:
This change is not Frontier's fault, it's the community's, and you sitting on your high horse talking about how you've lost faith in their timetable when it was the influence of the playerbase that drove FD to derail their plans, is patently unfair to Frontier.

You're damning them if they do and damning them if they don't.
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It is true that the community has been putting pressure on Frontier lately.

But it wasn’t the community that made the bugs.

Fixing bugs now is an excellent initiative.

But some sweets to help with the wait, would be nice. ;)
 

cheesenbiscuits

cheesenbiscuits
JesusRocks1988 said:
That's very far from the meaning of what I posted.
Bugs get fixed over time. The community wasn't happy with the pace and have influenced Frontier into changing their plans, thus creating a delay.

So the community moans about the bugs - that's fine.

Then moans when development time has to come away from other things to fix the bugs. - this is not fine.
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It’s what we do,there’s always someone with their knickers in a twist over something and it normally contradicts others wants and needs,so we end up with cycle of constant complaints.
Our collective hive mind is an idiot.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
cheesenbiscuits said:
It’s what we do,there’s always someone with their knickers in a twist over something and it normally contradicts others wants and needs,so we end up with cycle of constant complaints.
Our collective hive mind is an idiot.
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We're more like hamsters... we fight each other and run on the same wheel for all our life pretending it's freedom when we're actually providing power to FDEV servers :p
 
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