[SUGGESTION] Everyone should be using video capture as a Black Box

Yaffle

Volunteer Moderator
Just a quick reminder - naming and shaming either directly or via a video/image link is prohibited on the forums.
 
I'm pretty sure you can prepare for people laughing as they realize what you call "griefing" is totally not griefing. You seem to be thinking piracy is some sort of gentlemen's hobby with strict rules: it's not.

Though I'd recommend you to do some yoga and keep in mind it's just a video game.
 
Just a quick reminder - naming and shaming either directly or via a video/image link is prohibited on the forums.

Question:- What if the player is named on a different web site and a link is use so people can look at the video footage, is that against forum rules? As it is not being published directly onto the forum does the rule apply?
 
I'm pretty sure you can prepare for people laughing as they realize what you call "griefing" is totally not griefing. You seem to be thinking piracy is some sort of gentlemen's hobby with strict rules: it's not.

Though I'd recommend you to do some yoga and keep in mind it's just a video game.

Was that aimed at me?

No need to get personal BTW.

The aim is to settle disputes, learn from watching what happened (in the case of actions being mistaken for griefing but weren't, or if you genuinely made some fatal mistake and others were not to blame), not to accuse people of griefing. I literally have no idea where you get the idea I'm thinking otherwise. It's quite clearly written in my original posting.

As for the yoga thing? Stay classy. :)
 
I'm pretty sure you can prepare for people laughing as they realize what you call "griefing" is totally not griefing. You seem to be thinking piracy is some sort of gentlemen's hobby with strict rules: it's not.

Though I'd recommend you to do some yoga and keep in mind it's just a video game.

I will not use words which result in warnings, however the word you have used gets miss quoted so much. If a member of the PK Squad continually attacks one person and follows them what would you call it. On a forum if somebody follows you and gives you abuse, puts you down and makes your life unhappy they are called Trolls, so what would you call somebody who causes upset?

I think taking up Yoga isn't the answer, it may be for the people who need to reflect on their personal behaviour but not on the victim. The best way to beat stress is to look at everybody on this forum and in game as window warriors, something I learned about a few years ago. They shout abuse, behave badly and cause upset. But when faced with punishment for their behaviour they run around shouting "its not me, its his fault he shouted at me first"

They are window bullies who on their own are cowards with load voices.

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have you thought about Fraps???
 
(using fraps here). I recommend to lower by HALF the video quality to record... to avoid a too great frame drop, as it runs continously... and again, into RAMdrive to gain access speed for recording.
 
Was that aimed at me?

No need to get personal BTW.

The aim is to settle disputes, learn from watching what happened (in the case of actions being mistaken for griefing but weren't, or if you genuinely made some fatal mistake and others were not to blame), not to accuse people of griefing. I literally have no idea where you get the idea I'm thinking otherwise. It's quite clearly written in my original posting.

As for the yoga thing? Stay classy. :)
Of course that's aimed at you, albeit not you personally, but at the idea you expressed in your opening post.

And that post is quite ambiguous: "so-called pirates"? "victim"? "evidence"? Its like you don't realize the power of the words you're using, nor how toxic this idea is, even more toxic than the behavior of "griefers" themselves, as it will clearly be used to judge people, to accuse people of griefing, which will lead to actual hate and insults like it happened before. And I don't quite get why anyone should explain his actions in a video game, nor why the matter should be taken that seriously: how many games can you mention where people do this kind of thing?

I'm lacking words to explain how this all makes me feel. How did you even get there?
 
I will not use words which result in warnings, however the word you have used gets miss quoted so much. If a member of the PK Squad continually attacks one person and follows them what would you call it. On a forum if somebody follows you and gives you abuse, puts you down and makes your life unhappy they are called Trolls, so what would you call somebody who causes upset?

I think taking up Yoga isn't the answer, it may be for the people who need to reflect on their personal behaviour but not on the victim. The best way to beat stress is to look at everybody on this forum and in game as window warriors, something I learned about a few years ago. They shout abuse, behave badly and cause upset. But when faced with punishment for their behaviour they run around shouting "its not me, its his fault he shouted at me first"

They are window bullies who on their own are cowards with load voices.
I'll just assume that it's possible for someone to follow and repeatedly attack someone, seeing how instancing problems make this nearly impossible, and how even friends struggle to find each other. Well, if someone follows me and attacks me, I'll welcome him with a couple missiles and bullets.

The game is a sandbox, it pretty much has no rules nor restrictions, only consequences to actions. If something happens to you, it's because you were not ready for it, and if it keeps happening, it's because you refuse to adapt. If someone does that to me, I'll just outfit my ship with guns and give him hell, because that's the thing to do. And then I'll trade in a ship covered with guns, and many times I've seen traders welcome me with a salvo and hunt me rather than simply fleeing.

Regardless, we're yet again facing the same problem: some people just don't like PvP, especially the idea of losing to a player, and would rather scream "it's unfair" than try to appreciate it. I'm myself fine with PvP, and I'm fine with the concept of losing, and there's no such thing as an "unfair" fight, only fights I wasn't prepared for.

There's no such thing as a "victim", it's a video game, and out of two players, one wins, and one loses.
 
Of course that's aimed at you, albeit not you personally, but at the idea you expressed in your opening post.

And that post is quite ambiguous: "so-called pirates"? "victim"? "evidence"? Its like you don't realize the power of the words you're using, nor how toxic this idea is, even more toxic than the behavior of "griefers" themselves, as it will clearly be used to judge people, to accuse people of griefing, which will lead to actual hate and insults like it happened before.

Ah, I now see where your confusion lies...

What I said:
Topics like "Shot twice inside LAVE station by a player - not much fun in that" , or general topics regarding being "griefed",
or topics describing being interdicted by so-called "Pirates" who either didn't demand any cargo, or they got given cargo
then proceeded to destroy the victim's ship afterwards anyway.

That paragraph clearly is me talking about topics which I've read on the forums which other people have created. In no way am I accusing anybody of anything, and I'm sorry if you think the wording is too ambiguous - it isn't to me, as I'm clearly mentioning "topics like" and "topics regarding", with the qualifying words straight after those phrases. I've colour-coded the relevant parts of the sentences that you've clearly missed, for your convenience.

And I don't quite get why anyone should explain his actions in a video game, nor why the matter should be taken that seriously: how many games can you mention where people do this kind of thing?

Again, I think you are reading this the wrong way - where does it state I think "anyone should explain his actions in a video game"? Which part of my original post has this meaning? :)

I'm lacking words to explain how this all makes me feel. How did you even get there?

I suspect your feelings are being caused by completely missing the point of the post, in addition misinterpreting it. The question is, How did you even get to where you are now? :)
 

Yaffle

Volunteer Moderator
Question:- What if the player is named on a different web site and a link is use so people can look at the video footage, is that against forum rules? As it is not being published directly onto the forum does the rule apply?

The text of a post is important, a post saying that "a commander (see video here url...) griefed me, someone kill him" is a clear name and shame. A video tutorial someone links that happens to show other players is most likely not. But, it's quite subjective, so a video tutorial on "what is griefing" showing player actions would be naming and shaming, for example.

Direct links to kill lists etc would be naming and shaming.

It's best to not test the boundaries on this, just accept we don't do naming and shaming here.
 
Ah, I now see where your confusion lies...
Maybe you should read it again and try to make it clearer, because right now, all it says is "let's gather more evidence of griefers and expose them". Those threads might not be yours, YOU made the choice to mention them, and same goes with the wording.

I'm ready to believe you mean no harm, but as I said, the meaning of your post is quite ambiguous, and the perceived motivation unclear. It only sounds like yet another case against griefing. And I still don't see what any of this has to do with a video game regardless of your intentions.

I don't sue people when they shoot me in the face in the usual online FPS.
 
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