supernova event

howmanymexicans

howmanymexicans
I thought it would be a really fantastic idea to have one of the stars in Elite go supernova and make a big science event out of it.

I would be totally content with a cinematic that could be viewed from a certain location. I am sure your art department would love that one.
just wondering what the community thought of this also..

and just to throw this out there for anyone who has read this far down: I would love to see things like accretion disks, cataclysmic variable stars, pulsars (that spin like a lighthouse), comets, eccentric orbits, and all that jazz... I would love to find a blue super giant with a couple of small black holes leaching off its atmosphere and forming their own accretion disks.
What about you guys?
 

lenna

lenna
Might be nice, but are any of the known stars expected to go Supernova in the ED Universe time setting based on scientific reasoning?

If not, then we would probably be talking about Death Star type super weapons being available to either the Thargoids or (at least) one of the super powers. Unless there is perhaps some one off event where some ancient experimental device either triggers or goes screwy. In any case, given FD are science fact focused on the shape of the universe, any such event would need to be managed carefully.
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
In before the beige-supernova (fewls) .. [haha] ..

If Betelgeuse goes up, FD might be forced to update the Stellar Forge!?
http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/betelgeuse-will-explode-someday

Possible a 'bit disruptive' to CG's (a few hundred years later) the idea of modelling an expanding sphere of light and radiation .. boggles the mind. Would be amazing to watch though and as our ships can go faster than light .. you could watch it again .. and again and again?

[video=youtube;wEp3zu2e9pE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEp3zu2e9pE[/video]
:D +1
 
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lenna

lenna
A major CME or solar flare event that is of much lesser significance in stellar cartography terms could perhaps be a viable alternative?

Supernovas in general sound like they might be a bit too extreme in terms of potential impact on the stellar forge.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
I'd love to witness a supernova. Lol

It would be hilarious.
If I was running it, it'd be on galnet for weeks that a distant star is going supernova.
Over the course of a few days, the star grows and whatnot.

On the supernova day, gravity in the whole system is so unstable, supercruise isn't possible (so you can't wizz around making time go backwards. Lol - although, I wouldn't care if supercruise changed nothing)
You would be alerted when jumping in.
All you can do is hyperspace in or out, or faff around in normal space at the entry point.

Then boom!

And you can watch, either Hyperspacing out at the last second, or stay and die for the lolz (it would take several hours, even days, for the shockwave to reach you anyway).
You'd get paid loads for scanning the various stages of a supernova with a DSS, or ADS, more for the very late stages, but lose it on death. Risk/reward.
The System then gets closed off by a permit, until it's remodelled by FD to reflect what's happened.

Then it's a tourist destination. Lol

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
 

DaveB

DaveB
In purely practical "stellar forge terms" I'm pretty sure I've seen a few binary systems where one member is a white dwarf, so a type 1a supernova could easily be brewing in the ED galaxy...
 

lenna

lenna
DaveB said:
In purely practical "stellar forge terms" I'm pretty sure I've seen a few binary systems where one member is a white dwarf, so a type 1a supernova could easily be brewing in the ED galaxy...
Click to expand...
I have only seen one so far myself and that was with-in or near the main bubble.
 

Vandaahl

Vandaahl
If it would happen in our galaxy, I'm sure Frontier would craft one in game as well.

Real super nova's (novea?) take months to complete and leave big remnants, it would be pretty easy to make one and to handcraft a new nebula.

For instance, the crab nebula is the remnant of a big supernova from 4 July 1054, one that was witnessed and documented by the Chinese, and the crab nebula is in game as well. Betelgeuse is about to go boom, and there are a couple of others, so there is hope :)
 
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vrsterling

V
CMDR_Cosmicspacehead said:
I'd love to witness a supernova. Lol

It would be hilarious.
If I was running it, it'd be on galnet for weeks that a distant star is going supernova.
Over the course of a few days, the star grows and whatnot.

On the supernova day, gravity in the whole system is so unstable, supercruise isn't possible (so you can't wizz around making time go backwards. Lol - although, I wouldn't care if supercruise changed nothing)
You would be alerted when jumping in.
All you can do is hyperspace in or out, or faff around in normal space at the entry point.

Then boom!

And you can watch, either Hyperspacing out at the last second, or stay and die for the lolz (it would take several hours, even days, for the shockwave to reach you anyway).
You'd get paid loads for scanning the various stages of a supernova with a DSS, or ADS, more for the very late stages, but lose it on death. Risk/reward.
The System then gets closed off by a permit, until it's remodelled by FD to reflect what's happened.

Then it's a tourist destination. Lol

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
Click to expand...

FDev, hire this guy! He's got some good ideas! :)
 

[VR] optimal_909

[VR] optimal_909
Winterwalker said:
In before the beige-supernova (fewls) .. [haha] ..

If Betelgeuse goes up, FD might be forced to update the Stellar Forge!?
http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/betelgeuse-will-explode-someday

Possible a 'bit disruptive' to CG's (a few hundred years later) the idea of modelling an expanding sphere of light and radiation .. boggles the mind. Would be amazing to watch though and as our ships can go faster than light .. you could watch it again .. and again and again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEp3zu2e9pE
:D +1
Click to expand...

Elite operates in an instant-light* universe. All nebulae look the same from any distance and sight does not distort above 1c. So if FDev decides to blow up a star, it will be difficult to keep the universe consistent.

*edit: that travels at infinite speed
 
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Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
i could not imagine this being done in game without breaking it.

supernova events take millenia depending on the star. The initial ignition would engolf a system within days. You couldnt jump there. just watch from a distance, except that light takes years to travel the distance between.

So a permit blocked system due to Nova event.
 

PanTast

PanTast
Maybe a supernova already happened. Maybe on far east edge of the galaxy. Maybe we can see it in the bubble in some 20.000 years.

I guess the problem is from where you can see wich stage of the supernova. In principle the explosion will be visible some 400 billion times over the course of some 35.000 years.

Just as optimal 909 said, the galaxy is non dynamic when it comes to nebulae. And a supernova is the beginningof a nebula.

I guess we might see something like this in the next iteration of Elite.

o7
 

howmanymexicans

howmanymexicans
HERE is a list of possible candidates for a supernova event in our galaxy. In the time-frame of stars, 1 thousand years is nothing, an eye blink. So I would assume all of these would still be candidates during the games time period.
I was thinking a type 2 supernova to begin with but I saw a comment about a type 1 (which is less massive but MUCH more common) and that would be cool too, but really, we want accretion disks too for that!

I would think that the overall effects on the stella forge would be minimal for a supernova event, it would only effect one star system if it wasn't too massive (the shockwave would take YEARS to reach even the nearest star travelling at the speed of light!) but I am no expert. otherwise I would be working for frontier ;)

and finally.. I believe I once crossed paths with a wolf-rayet class star in a whole sector that was 'locked', not too far from the bubble, and after a quick google I discovered that this body was also a candidate for a supernova event. (this was quite a while ago now). maybe frontier already have this idea on their To Do list.
I guess we can only live in hope
 

Slayer Jesse

Slayer Jesse
ive thought this too, would be a great community goal to provide disaster relief, and security in the collapse of local power.

and any scientific problems could be hand waived with "blah blah the thargoids did it"
 
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cheesenbiscuits

cheesenbiscuits
What about a supernova being triggered when a body is scanned for the first time and giving a detailed time when the event would be due to happen in the system description.
All sorts of cataclysms and stellar events could be coded into the stellar forge.
Uploaded to galnet and given the option to follow the event,rng the times to the events so some could happen months away,others days,hours.
The first discovery of the event could remembered by a tourist beacon.
 

Phazon Xenomorph

Phazon Xenomorph
Unless you're talking something like a Thargoid energy weapon to just outright blow up a star, you'd have to otherwise find a way to introduce elements the star can't properly process into its cycle, namely Iron if I remember right, once it starts making Iron its own pressure can't sustain it's fusion reaction which is what kills the star off.
 
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