I thought all of these tools were supposed to be 'unnecessary'. Funny how removing them is seen as disruptive isn't it?
#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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I thought all of these tools were supposed to be 'unnecessary'. Funny how removing them is seen as disruptive isn't it?
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Never , its just a game.
I'm one of 'em, and I get it!
I've still got a half-filled notepad somewhere with market prices written down, and routes planned (remember the old short-range jump plotting?), from when ED first started.
I reckon, if I went through enough junk boxes in the loft, I might even find a "cheat sheet" I wrote for Elite back in the 1980s.
However, these 3P tools make that much easier, and mean that I don't have to swap glasses and put the light on to write stuff down any more. They really do help make it feel more like I'm playing in a sci-fi world, rather than some sort of medieval scriptorium
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You cant be serious, Parasites?
I cant speak for the other devs but my donations dont even cover the £40 a month hosting cost. I made my trade site in alpha to help players with a better trading ui while the in game UI game improved (it never did).
I've spent 1000's of hours working on the site and supporting the players and you think thats parasitic?
What have you done to help the community?
Probably nothing. I know how much work you put in personally, which is why this situation pulls me in 2 directions. I think part of the problem is that the perceived need by FD to develop some of the tools in game disappeared as the community rose up to make them. Now the issue is some of them want a dedicated contact in FD just for them to make what changes they want, when they want them. There's no way that is going to happen.
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EDDB and EDSM are vital tools for many activities in this game, I'm definitely siding with them. Would also appreciate if engineering data is added back to the ship logs, it was very useful but got removed in 2.3.
They've already fumbled. They said they would bring their sites back on "X" date. FDev doesn't have to do a dang thing, because they know that these guys will bring the sites back up at that time.
If I were FDev, I'd just say "Ok, go sit on it." and get to work making my own version of these tools. Which means we all win anyway, because then we'd have an official or better yet in-game solution.
If I were FDev, I'd just say "Ok, go sit on it." and get to work making my own version of these tools. Which means we all win anyway, because then we'd have an official or better yet in-game solution.
It seems like a higher level of communication was being established but was not followed through on by Frontier. I don't think any of this would have happened if Fdev didn't step up their support and communication with 3rd party devs in the first place.
They dropped the ball here, the least they could do is acknowledge that. The most they could do is bring it up to what they appeared to be doing before they went dark.
You know what? I would settle with '' Good communication '' As in '' Frontier aknowledge the fact that a lot if not most of the player base uses tools that are made by 3rd party '' Right now, in every department of Frontier, they seem either understaffed or unwilling to answer request that doesn't come with a bug report...
If I were in control of these free 3rd party informatics, and was basically dismissed as being frivolous etc. There would be no strike or limited downtime. Its down and it stays down--until FD wants to pay to have it brought up.
If you think this service that was supporting YOU FD for free isn't worth incorporating--fine. Out it goes. If you find it was useful...PAY
If you think this service that was supporting YOU FD for free isn't worth incorporating--fine. Out it goes. If you find it was useful...PAY
I totally and wholeheartedly support this.
It's been bad enough that they removed that engineer data from the API, and i stopped playing the game for a while for that, as i didn't feel like reentering all my data manually.
If those third party sites did not exist, i would not be playing the game at all.
Randomly hunting for ships or modules? Not knowing where to find engineer components but going by trial and error?
The game would not be fun without third party apps!
It's been bad enough that they removed that engineer data from the API, and i stopped playing the game for a while for that, as i didn't feel like reentering all my data manually.
If those third party sites did not exist, i would not be playing the game at all.
Randomly hunting for ships or modules? Not knowing where to find engineer components but going by trial and error?
The game would not be fun without third party apps!
Honest answer, I don't know, but hijacking the Salome event and using the community as a pawn in a 'look at me, look at me, I want, I want' crusade stinks to high heaven in my book.
Funnily enough, like many people who were old enough to play Elite in 1984 I happen to think the vast advances in technology and the convenience they have brought since then are actually a good thing. Whether you can or cannot do something another (hugely more time consuming) way or not is hardly the point; that's like saying the fact that paper maps still exist means everybody using a satnav is just lazy. It's a nonsense argument.
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That doesn't make any sense - you don't support wjhat they're doing, so in other words, if you had the pwoer to stop them you would but it's their website and they can only do what they want because I lack the power to stop them?
Yes and the people saying they don't support their action (not that it's anyone's business btw) are simply wrong.
1) it's nobody's buisness but the owners what they do.
2) if you're against them shutting their site down you're against them having free choice on their product.
So if you had the pwoer, would you stop them from shutting it down? I'm assuming you are going to say YES as you're against their actions?
Other sites have up to date engineers information, so try another reason. Lack of interest in keeping it up to date would probably be more accurate, and within their rights.
This post is quite funny and revealing. I'm a young'in and I don't even use the Galmap. I suspect '84'ers' can't survive without someone giving them directions.
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If FD is smart then they'll help these 3rd part sites, it's good for the relationship between them and the players.
I use Coriolis.io frequently for checking out different ship build, Inara is fantastic, I check their screenshot section a lot or use it to find certain modules etc.
These sites aren't just tools, they're great additions to ED and FD should be happy with people so into their game that they take so much effort in creating these sites, these sites are a huge compliment to FD because it shows how dedicated players are to ED.
Therefore I think that FD should support these sites where possible.
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I use Coriolis.io frequently for checking out different ship build, Inara is fantastic, I check their screenshot section a lot or use it to find certain modules etc.
These sites aren't just tools, they're great additions to ED and FD should be happy with people so into their game that they take so much effort in creating these sites, these sites are a huge compliment to FD because it shows how dedicated players are to ED.
Therefore I think that FD should support these sites where possible.
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