It's probably going to happen, all other MMOs do this to simplify the dev studio's work. Although given how Horizons has been on sale for less than the price of a hamburger several times now, holding on just so you can get it as a freebie seems more like an exercise in proving a point.
Surely its time to drop base game customers
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It's probably going to happen, all other MMOs do this to simplify the dev studio's work. Although given how Horizons has been on sale for less than the price of a hamburger several times now, holding on just so you can get it as a freebie seems more like an exercise in proving a point.
Exactly. At a time when FDev is most likely debating whether to stay with OpenGL or move on to Vulkan (which is designed to be easy to transition from OpenGL), moving to Metal (which is not) is just an expensive distraction.
Haha. If base game players are freeloaders then horizon players are leeches since base game people are funding current development by parting with their hard earned.
Actually we're all mooching off people buying JWE
In that case drop elite altogether. Cant argue with op's logic.
See what you done op!
See what I've done? See what you've done Ginge with your fallacious straw-man argument which faybs sardonically took to the next level.
Not hostile here, just genuinely curious how you arrived at those conclusions, care to share some citations? Particularly for the part "non-Horizons players still earn profits", prove that and I'll cheerfully concede that the OP was erroneous.
I got two Horiizons CMDRs on PC and a base game CMDR on PS4, so does that mean I get dropped or not?
You get 33.3% dropped.
I think FDs "first move" would be simply stop selling ED without Horizons.
That way, new players are getting the full game.
Then permanently discount Horizons only down to a few £.
Then with the next DLC you get 4 purchase options.
1) ED+Horizons = ££
2) Just Horizons = £
3) Just Season 3 = £££
4) ED + Horizons + S3 = ££££
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I'd re-brand as a game called Elite without a :subname at the next large update. At some point Horizons and Beyond just need to be part of the base game.
Dropping the base version should be a reasonable thing to think about for the DEVs.
The Beta that has just ended today just had that situation where they have changed a game mechanic for the better, but had to face the situation that base game owners would have been cut out of gameplay they could do up to now.
ofc IMHO "dropping" means auto-upgrading to horizons.
The DEV team already has issues implementing new features with the already existing ones in mind (looking at multicrew and engineering).
not also having to keep in mind what the non-horizons playerbase CAN'T do when changing something, may be even harder
anyone who has backed with such a huge donation, has already access to horizons and all future content - aka the LEP you have mentioned.
The Beta that has just ended today just had that situation where they have changed a game mechanic for the better, but had to face the situation that base game owners would have been cut out of gameplay they could do up to now.
ofc IMHO "dropping" means auto-upgrading to horizons.
The DEV team already has issues implementing new features with the already existing ones in mind (looking at multicrew and engineering).
not also having to keep in mind what the non-horizons playerbase CAN'T do when changing something, may be even harder
anyone who has backed with such a huge donation, has already access to horizons and all future content - aka the LEP you have mentioned.
You get 33.3% dropped.
I think FDs "first move" would be simply stop selling ED without Horizons.
That way, new players are getting the full game.
Then permanently discount Horizons only down to a few £.
Then with the next DLC you get 4 purchase options.
1) ED+Horizons = ££
2) Just Horizons = £
3) Just Season 3 = £££
4) ED + Horizons + S3 = ££££
not selling the base game anymore may sound easier then it is.
they had to change horizons from a full-package to DLC package at some point due to the massive confusion around it.
especially when you consider how the steam store is working.
You took that seriously ?
Kinda true though in a round about way. Base game players are subsidising your gameplay. Lighten up dude.
I don't think paintjobs are paying for a whole lot more than afternoon tea and biscuits for the dev team. Real money is coming in from sales of other games. My evidence for this claim is how few paintjobs and bobbleheads there are - if the store were a real source of income, we'd be spoiled for choice. Every paintjob would be available for every ship simultaneously, there would be a lot more of them, and there would be other things you could buy like custom sounds and random stuff for your cockpit.
Money is money
I actually think that Fdev are deliberately tricklefeeding the new paint jobs etc in to keep a fairly steady revenue stream. Were it the case that everything were available all at once, then there'd be a initial glut of sales then next to nothing as everyone would have most things they wanted. But the shear number of things available fro elite in the FDev store, 528, compared to whats available for any of their other games, 8 for planet coaster, 2 for Jurassic Worlde Evolution, looks like the addons are part of the business model for keeping the game going. And if they plan on ongoing cosmetics sales, its also fair to assume that they also anticipate(d) ongoing sales of the seasons/expansion packs, which brings me back to my rather controversial "cough up or pack up" stance from the opening post.
Which brings me back to my "what a troll" stance.
To what benefit?
How about dropping you? How can anyone who has paid for base content be called a freeloader? It's FDev's design to keep the two seperate, which is poor show in my opinion considering they pit every commander in the same universe and lock engineers behind the horizons dlc.
The player has the right to not purchase Horizons if they don't wish to. And for all you know they've invested more money than you by means of cosmetics. So take your head back out from that behind.