Swapped my G2v2 for a Pico4U. Now I get why WMR is dropped

I had been a proper fanboy of WMR and the G2 was my 3rd, WMR, headset. I got board waiting for the Pimax Crystal Super, even though it's not WMR, and the Pico4U is relatively cheap, although I had big reservations about it not being WMR.

I've got one PC where I removed Win11 and plonked Win10 on to make sure WMR wouldn't be removed ( so there Microsoft :mad: ). I've another PC where I used GPEdit to set the target update version to W11 23H2 ( but Microsoft being Microsoft, I don't trust them to comply with this setting ). Then I wrote a powershell script to control all 6 Microsoft update services manually, to stop it removing WMR. I was too late to save Mixed Reality Portal for SteamVR but then I wasn't using SteamVR anyway so meh.

TL;DR, initially plugging the P4U in, I was disappointed. After learning to fettle the rendering settings, visually it just ( for me personally ) destroys my G2.

Negatives:
1) It's not as seamlessly integrated with Windows but then non WMR headsets were ever going to be as well embedded.
2) I don't want to call Pico Connect software 'ropey' but I learned quite quickly that, once I have it working with the config I want, never ever ever let it update, either the desktop software or, in particular, the headset software. That's just a quick way to get the often reported 'waiting to connect' problems that people are complaining about on the Pico Forums. Software can't be rolled back so the headset needed to be reset.
3) The native headset interface is basic, although it's pretty slick and I don't need controllers, just hands, so maybe this should be a plus?
6) Latency with my WiFi 6 router is cr@p. Great way to lose weight in a hurry and you're looking at someone who played Skyrim with VorpX back in the day :sick:. Sure, I could buy WiFi 7 but just for this.... really?
7) I needed to create a Pico account.

Positives
1) With a bit of fettling and a powered 5m USB-C cable, I get a more 'monitor like' picture than my G2 and which itself is good ( in the sweet spot ).
2) Ignore the comparative FOV data in degrees where the G2 is slightly better. Nobody talks about the face gasket. The G2 gasket is so bulky, it's like looking down a toilet tube. In reality the P4U has an obviously wider FOV than the G2, I can see more of my cockpit. Yes, there are after market gaskets for the G2 but then the same for the P4U and I've ordered one so it's still better.
3) it's smaller, lighter and the lenses seem taller and wider.
4) The USB-C cable is small with a right angled connector which can point 'toward' the PC where the USB ports are. Or, turn it around so it can hang down behind like the Reverbs do. Also, the cable is much lighter, less bulky and less fragile.
4) There's a lot more graphics fettling I can still do by editing P4U config files to increase the resolutions and bitrates presented in the Pico4 GUI.
5) Ignore what's published about the picture being rendered at 1920x1920 and upscaled. Sure, if you set it to do that. On the other hand you can set it to render native ( 2160x2160 ) or, if you have something better than my 3090, you can edit the Pico Connect config files to render as high as you like and down sample. Want 8k? No problem. With down sampling it looks spectacular but, hello sick bucket ( at least on my GPU ). Can also set the bit rates higher. Probably only limited by what the Snapdragon can process.
8) It doesn't need a Faceb*x.com account.
9) It's a fantastic way to make my autistic ADD nephew sit still until I take it off him.

I've bought the VR Desktop software but I don't see a reason to use it yet. As it is I can drive my headset well above what a 3090 can handle.

Some other, even more, subjectivity
1) EDO feels quite a bit more fluid for the same graphics settings, when compared with the G2.
2) Just for kicks, I dropped the SS to 0.85 ( which looks pretty bad on the G2 to me ). On the P4U the difference is there but I had to keep the view still and look for it. Must be something about the pancake lenses. Obviously the FPS went up so I'll be keeping that setting :)
 
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How is the audio? I hated the headband audio of my Rift S so much, and the headphones of the G2 are an often underrated huge plus for it. I've seen "audio kits" for the Pico so I assume it is as terrible as any headband integrated audio solution? Does it have an audio jack at least?
 
Audio is more quiet than the G2. I thought the G2 was cr@p TBH with it's off ear speakers. I would buy a decent pair of headphones. I've got a speaker sat behind. Directional and positional sound doesn't really register with me. If you want volume, you'll need headphones.
 
it's not about volume, it's about the quality. To be honest the G2's speakers are about the best you can get with an open design that's still somewhat light, meaning a design that doesn't completely decouple you from your surroundings like in-ears or over-ear headphones would. The G2 has the same speakers as the widely praised Index by the way.

The headband audio of my Rift S was tinny and crappy. Lound enough, but terrible sound quality - very little low mids and bass, and very agressive in the midrange. I fear that's a general problem of those headband designs.

Does the Pico have an audio jack, or do you need to BT it?
 
it's not about volume, it's about the quality. To be honest the G2's speakers are about the best you can get with an open design that's still somewhat light, meaning a design that doesn't completely decouple you from your surroundings like in-ears or over-ear headphones would. The G2 has the same speakers as the widely praised Index by the way.

The headband audio of my Rift S was tinny and crappy. Lound enough, but terrible sound quality - very little low mids and bass, and very agressive in the midrange. I fear that's a general problem of those headband designs.

Does the Pico have an audio jack, or do you need to BT it?
No jack that I can see. Since the headset is basically its own android PC and has BT and WiFi ( although I keep them both turned off ), you could, likely ( I've not tried ), pair BT buds/headphones to the headset. It doesn't obstruct your ears or head so either buds or phones will fit. You've just got me thinking. I wonder if I can pair my speaker to the headset rather than the PC.
 
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thanks.

That's an unfortunate trend I see in a lot of modern VR headsets - either a mediocre audio solution at best, or even none at all, and no expansion jacks to avoid or reduce additional latency (which BT will introduce).
 
I had been a proper fanboy of WMR and the G2 was my 3rd, WMR, headset. I got board waiting for the Pimax Crystal Super, even though it's not WMR, and the Pico4U is relatively cheap, although I had big reservations about it not being WMR.

I've got one PC where I removed Win11 and plonked Win10 on to make sure WMR wouldn't be removed ( so there Microsoft :mad: ). I've another PC where I used GPEdit to set the target update version to W11 23H2 ( but Microsoft being Microsoft, I don't trust them to comply with this setting ). Then I wrote a powershell script to control all 6 Microsoft update services manually, to stop it removing WMR. I was too late to save Mixed Reality Portal for SteamVR but then I wasn't using SteamVR anyway so meh.

TL;DR, initially plugging the P4U in, I was disappointed. After learning to fettle the rendering settings, visually it just ( for me personally ) destroys my G2.

Negatives:
1) It's not as seamlessly integrated with Windows but then non WMR headsets were ever going to be as well embedded.
2) I don't want to call Pico Connect software 'ropey' but I learned quite quickly that, once I have it working with the config I want, never ever ever let it update, either the desktop software or, in particular, the headset software. That's just a quick way to get the often reported 'waiting to connect' problems that people are complaining about on the Pico Forums. Software can't be rolled back so the headset needed to be reset.
3) The native headset interface is basic, although it's pretty slick and I don't need controllers, just hands, so maybe this should be a plus?
6) Latency with my WiFi 6 router is cr@p. Great way to lose weight in a hurry and you're looking at someone who played Skyrim with VorpX back in the day :sick:. Sure, I could buy WiFi 7 but just for this.... really?
7) I needed to create a Pico account.

Positives
1) With a bit of fettling and a powered 5m USB-C cable, I get a more 'monitor like' picture than my G2 and which itself is good ( in the sweet spot ).
2) Ignore the comparative FOV data in degrees where the G2 is slightly better. Nobody talks about the face gasket. The G2 gasket is so bulky, it's like looking down a toilet tube. In reality the P4U has an obviously wider FOV than the G2, I can see more of my cockpit. Yes, there are after market gaskets for the G2 but then the same for the P4U and I've ordered one so it's still better.
3) it's smaller, lighter and the lenses seem taller and wider.
4) The USB-C cable is small with a right angled connector which can point 'toward' the PC where the USB ports are. Or, turn it around so it can hang down behind like the Reverbs do. Also, the cable is much lighter, less bulky and less fragile.
4) There's a lot more graphics fettling I can still do by editing P4U config files to increase the resolutions and bitrates presented in the Pico4 GUI.
5) Ignore what's published about the picture being rendered at 1920x1920 and upscaled. Sure, if you set it to do that. On the other hand you can set it to render native ( 2160x2160 ) or, if you have something better than my 3090, you can edit the Pico Connect config files to render as high as you like and down sample. Want 8k? No problem. With down sampling it looks spectacular but, hello sick bucket ( at least on my GPU ). Can also set the bit rates higher. Probably only limited by what the Snapdragon can process.
8) It doesn't need a Faceb*x.com account.
9) It's a fantastic way to make my autistic ADD nephew sit still until I take it off him.

I've bought the VR Desktop software but I don't see a reason to use it yet. As it is I can drive my headset well above what a 3090 can handle.

Some other, even more, subjectivity
1) EDO feels quite a bit more fluid for the same graphics settings, when compared with the G2.
2) Just for kicks, I dropped the SS to 0.85 ( which looks pretty bad on the G2 to me ). On the P4U the difference is there but I had to keep the view still and look for it. Must be something about the pancake lenses. Obviously the FPS went up so I'll be keeping that setting :)

I'm on the Pico 3 Neo, out of interest what resolution have you finally settled on? I have a suspicion 2748x2880 is a bit much for my 6950xt
 
I'm on the Pico 3 Neo, out of interest what resolution have you finally settled on? I have a suspicion 2748x2880 is a bit much for my 6950xt
Not sure what you mean, are you talking about SteamVR ( left on auto )? If you mean the Pico itself, I've been editing the config files but only to increase the USB-C throughput to 190MB/s ( above this I get crashes with the H265 codec ). For the game profiles, I flit between SuperDef, UltraHD and UltraHD+, whatever the associated resolutions are but I tend use UltraHD with the 3090 most of the time. IDK why they say it needs a 4090 for UHD, mine seems fine to me. I'm tempted to plonk in a 5090 when they arrive because it will just be hilariously good. That being said, the 3090 is good enough, for me personally, with the Pico 4U and that is not something I ever thought I would say about GPUs and VR.

The latest broadcom XR chip does a fantastic job of processing and downsampling the image IMO.

Did you ever try SSAA x2.0 in game and got the slideshow, just to see how sharp it was? Well leave that at x1.0 and, to me, the Pico UHD downsampling gets close enough that I can only see the difference if I sit still in a docking bay and stare at the far wall. When moving they look exactly the same only now the effect is playable.
 
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I still like WMR. It had good potential. Microsoft pulled life support a bit too soon. I would have liked to see a Samsung Odyssey 3 with 4k OLED per eye, etc.

My Odyssey+ still works fine, but have been using a G2v2 myself. I'm waiting for Pimax 12k though would consider an 8KX at this point, too but so far everything still working good so no reason to rock the boat.
 
My G2 is still plugged into my gamer and my O+ is plugged is plugged into my workhorse. I had so much fun with them that I just can't bring myself to get rid of them yet ( even though there are some recycle bins for small electrical appliances nearby ). I wish I had good reasons to keep using WMR which is why I've kept the headsets.

Might I suggest a Pimax Crystal Super. IMO it's, slightly, more likely than the 12K ( Pimax and their promises bless them ) and the YT vids of the, working, eye tracking foveated rendering means it maybe within the reach of existing GPU compute. IMO but I could be wrong, the 12K is more vapourware.
 
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