Well spotted.
Not sure what relevance is has to OP's post; but well spotted anyway.
System to system travel using SC rather than Hyperspace = Hypercruise?
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Not sure what relevance is has to OP's post; but well spotted anyway.
This is Sparta.
When engaging the FSD to jump to super-cruise there is a countdown and a jump animation and it loads the SC instance - it's a loading screen and it looks like a loading screen. A good and very unobtrusive one, but it's a loading screen.
Sure, it would be nice and awesome at first glance.
But: How would you accelerate form normal space to super-cruise or hyper-cruise? Without it taking a lot of time, without completely breaking the current normal space flight mechanic (fixed max speed instead of fixed max acceleration) and without making the acceleration so quick that it looks like a transition screen?
There are gravity wells in super-cruise.
And unless the hyper-cruise inhibiting/affecting/disturbing gravity-well effect covers a huge area of space (up to light years) it will be something that is most of the time ignorable.
Space is big and no matter how much we can imagine how cool something would be if space wasn't that big.
I would like a traveling system without load screens and transition between flight modes and with interesting things happening while traveling and with having control over the movement of the ship all the time and with the the option to travel to uncharted "lands" and add beacons in newly discovered systems and…
It's just that I don't think that it's possible without fundamentally changing the game and without massively increasing the time travel would require.
Maybe, if there also was something like a "mass effect" gate that we could build when we got there. Basically the expansion being a s low progress based on players actually going in SC to the other system and working on the gate. And when the gate was finished, everyone could enjoy the instant travel there. This way, the exploration and expansion of the actual bubble would be a slow progression.
I think all Elite fans had hoped that this would be the way things worked in Elite 4 - it's simply a logical progression of the game, insofar as being a seamless 3D environment..
What ED offers instead is the same old system all previous versions of the game used - "hyperspace" = curtain fall, the stage hands re-arrange the set, the curtains rise and et voila, you've "Hyperspaced", magically transporting to distant realms..
..which is all very well, until you begin to realise that this is how things are working, that you've never actually gone anywhere, and the props have simply been redrawn around you. That however accurately rendered the star positions around you, they're not actually there; they're not even "stars" at all but 2D pixels on a bitmap, a fake background behind an invisible wall you cannot cross, just like the background scenery in Half Life et al that you can never actually reach.. a fake sky behind a glass wall.
Considering that games like Noctis and apps like Celestia and Space Engine all have had real 3D environments for over a decade, it's just one more disappointment in the litany of baffling compromises and squandered potential that define ED..
LOL, Noctis is probably getting on for 20 years old now, yet every star in the sky is real, and you can click to select any one, and then fly to it, whilst watching all the intervening stars stream by...
...so i don't think any canvasing of opinion on the issue is even necessary - all of those players who seriously prefer the canned "hyperspace" loading animations are the reason why we've been fobbed off with such a retrograde "sequel", if you can even call it that, in the first place.. so a big thanks to all of you low-expectations muddy funsters..!
What ED offers instead is the same old system all previous versions of the game used - "hyperspace" = curtain fall, the stage hands re-arrange the set, the curtains rise and et voila, you've "Hyperspaced", magically transporting to distant realms..
..which is all very well, until you begin to realise that this is how things are working, that you've never actually gone anywhere, and the props have simply been redrawn around you. That however accurately rendered the star positions around you, they're not actually there; they're not even "stars" at all but 2D pixels on a bitmap, a fake background behind an invisible wall you cannot cross, just like the background scenery in Half Life et al that you can never actually reach.. a fake sky behind a glass wall.
Considering that games like Noctis and apps like Celestia and Space Engine all have had real 3D environments for over a decade, it's just one more disappointment in the litany of baffling compromises and squandered potential that define ED..
LOL, Noctis is probably getting on for 20 years old now, yet every star in the sky is real, and you can click to select any one, and then fly to it, whilst watching all the intervening stars stream by...
...so i don't think any canvasing of opinion on the issue is even necessary - all of those players who seriously prefer the canned "hyperspace" loading animations are the reason why we've been fobbed off with such a retrograde "sequel", if you can even call it that, in the first place.. so a big thanks to all of you low-expectations muddy funsters..!
Simple: Acceleration depends on selected destination.
I think you are a man without visions. I suggest you take some onionhead.
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In the core with systems so close together it's feasible. And there is no reason why FD could not do it, they could do a loading screen half way between the systems to jump stars...
But as a use case it would be used very infrequently so why waste Dev time implementing it.. that's the real reason .
But as a use case it would be used very infrequently so why waste Dev time implementing it.. that's the real reason .
I recommend reading some of my posts here. It's useless in the core systems (you can jump past hundreds of systems faster), but very useful in sparse areas (skipping lots of system jumps - travelling faster due to not loading them).
I woud say YES, because that way, you have more sense of where you go, where are you coming from and what's around you in the galaxy and you feel that you travel trough it. You have pretty sense about where is every object or celestial body within travel , and where is your location in the system, so for explorer this is a nice touch of "live" experience.
As an example:
https://youtu.be/EJ1gGQrDC2Q?t=54
https://youtu.be/PYZKrdSh5Dc?t=187
As an example:
https://youtu.be/EJ1gGQrDC2Q?t=54
https://youtu.be/PYZKrdSh5Dc?t=187
Zadian Lichtfrost - instead of having a circular argument with babelfisch, why not critique my suggested implementation:
The above is something I think could genuinely be fun gameplay for longer journeys compared to jump jump jump jump and I'm prepared to take some constructive criticism on it and make modifications to my suggestion to address any short fallings you or others may highlight.
The above is something I think could genuinely be fun gameplay for longer journeys compared to jump jump jump jump and I'm prepared to take some constructive criticism on it and make modifications to my suggestion to address any short fallings you or others may highlight.
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I'd really expect that 99.9% of the Commander's workload in <when-ever> is carried out by the 'flight management computer'. Punch in the start, end and way points, flight level, and press 'go'. Call it sling-shot, hyperspace, or mega drive, I don't care, just call me when we're close to landing.
Absolutely. This would open up the option for stuff like rogue planets; shipwrecks drifting in the interstellar void; ancient generation ships still in transit between systems.
The distance a ship can jump is part of the game balance in the current implementation (whether it is well-balanced is another question entirely). What would be done to encourage players to buy a DBX with the best cruise drive available over a T9 with a 1E drive and lots of fuel tanks? Limit the amount of time in hypercruise? Cut down the max speed based on drive quality? Affect the size of mass interference bubbles?
If this is also supposed to be available beside the current system (as you suggest) rather than a replacement, then it also needs to be balanced against that. Which is a tall order. I don’t think you can have both.
This kind of system also seems to be the most use to traders and/or combatants trying to quickly get from point A to point B, as it encourages avoiding systems rather than flying in and seeing what there is to be found. I’m afraid exploration in particular would negatively affected by such a change, especially when everyone starts complaining that they can’t ever find anything.
If this is also supposed to be available beside the current system (as you suggest) rather than a replacement, then it also needs to be balanced against that. Which is a tall order. I don’t think you can have both.
This kind of system also seems to be the most use to traders and/or combatants trying to quickly get from point A to point B, as it encourages avoiding systems rather than flying in and seeing what there is to be found. I’m afraid exploration in particular would negatively affected by such a change, especially when everyone starts complaining that they can’t ever find anything.
Good question.
I currently don't care if it would be a replacement or not.
I am afraid that you are completely wrong with that.
Who cares how it's balanced?
This thread is no proposition of changing the game - it is an exercise in imagination.
Sit back, relax, imagine how cool it would be. Release your inner child.
Don't overthink it like every sad adult - just indulge yourself in a fantasy that doesn't require justification, balancing and what the hell not you sad sobs.
This thread is no proposition of changing the game - it is an exercise in imagination.
Sit back, relax, imagine how cool it would be. Release your inner child.
Don't overthink it like every sad adult - just indulge yourself in a fantasy that doesn't require justification, balancing and what the hell not you sad sobs.
Exactly. It's not wrong to point out potential flaws and problems though, maybe I'd like to start a serious suggestion thread at some point...
Exactly. It's not wrong to point out potential flaws and problems though, maybe I'd like to start a serious suggestion thread at some point...
If a serious thread is started on faster than light obstacle dodging, I want to be there.
I do and I've talked about it, but threads don't get read in their entirety before questions are asked again.
Also this is part of exercising my imagination. I don't know how cool it would be if I don't consider the details.
Wouldn't it be a bit dull? I think we're imagining whizzing through a starfield when realistically we'd barely see any movement at all.