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Lobstris

Lobstris
Mike Evans said:
I wonder if Elite technically passes the culture test though. Most of the game takes place in space with no story due to the sandbox nature and even so I doubt the story would be based in Britain or other applicable places.
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Surely Elite would count simply because it represents the legacy of three decades of the UK gaming industry? Without people like Bell and Braben (and Mike Singleton, Jeff Minter, Pete Cooke etc.) would people like me have got off our backsides as teenagers in the 80s and picked up programming on the 8-bit machines, which subsequently lead to a career? Without Elite, and puzzling over how the heck you got 8 galaxies worth of stuff into a 32k space, I don't think I'd have cottoned on to the wonders of procedural generation, or open-world gaming?

OK, this historical link might be a bit nebulous to convey to our wonderful ConDem overlords, but worth a shot surely? :)
 

Beachlight7

Beachlight7
I agree if we establish that the game Elite is already a cultural treasure, then a new version and continuation of the game is automatically cultural to UK, it could be argued.
It appears on the BBC when it was kickstarted, there is evidence of cultural and historical interest in the media.
 

Ratio

Ratio
Beachlight7 said:
I agree if we establish that the game Elite is already a cultural treasure, then a new version and continuation of the game is automatically cultural to UK, it could be argued.
It appears on the BBC when it was kickstarted, there is evidence of cultural and historical interest in the media.
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Spot on

I bet there is a Msc project in this!
Evolution of new media et al
 

stephen_usher

stephen_usher
Section 3
(B) Create a 5 mile high statue of David on Founder's World: 4 points
(D) Easy, all dialog in English and Welsh: 4 points
Section 5: 3 points
Section 6: 7 points

Equals 16... Bingo!
 

stephen_usher

stephen_usher
P.S. Add in an NPC called "Biggles" flying a Cobra in RAF fighter livery, that should help.

There will be the planet "Slough", and at least one other named after a British village, probably huge numbers more, along with Birmingham World, Boston High etc.
 

Dippy

Dippy
Station name :- Winston churchill. A battle ground for the elite! ;)

Planet name :- Thatcher world. A hell hole of a corporatocracy planet. :(

System name :- Tony blair system. All is welcome, just come on in and make yourself at home system? :eek: We pay for everything you know! :mad:

regional name :- Queen Elizabeth. Owns the gaff! :D

Tax break incoming ! ;)
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Dippy said:
Station name :- Winston churchill. A battle ground for the elite! ;)

Planet name :- Thatcher world. A hell hole of a corporatocracy planet. :(

System name :- Tony blair system. All is welcome, just come on in and make yourself at home system? :eek: We pay for everything you know! :mad:

regional name :- Queen Elizabeth. Owns the gaff! :D

Tax break incoming ! ;)
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I would not allow me to speak about your politicians, but in any case, I would not see those of my country in the game

:p
 
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Asp Explorer

Asp Explorer
KickahasTier said:
Exactly this, but more Elite is gaming culture incarnate. If it's not qualifying for the tax break, then Britain has no culture.
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Indeed. Britain has no culture. I am 100% in agreement with you.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland comprises many, many different and varied cultures. It's not homogenous.

You go to Belfast and you have a different experience than going to Glasgow. Spend a few days in London and then a week in Cardiff and then fly out from Edinburgh - and you'll see the difference.

P.S avoid Slough.
 

MDK-187

MDK-187
stephen_usher said:
Section 3
(B) Create a 5 mile high statue of David on Founder's World: 4 points
(D) Easy, all dialog in English and Welsh: 4 points
Section 5: 3 points
Section 6: 7 points

Equals 16... Bingo!
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not sure who taught you mathematics, but that added up to 18 for me. :p
 

deusx_ophc

deusx_ophc
yeah this will make for an awesome reporting season, inc v soon :D really looking forward to the full annual report 2013 - ks monies + tax kickback = whoooo

see you at the agm, i be bringing the coriolis cake ;)
 

Associat0r

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Mike Evans said:
I wonder if Elite technically passes the culture test though. Most of the game takes place in space with no story due to the sandbox nature and even so I doubt the story would be based in Britain or other applicable places.
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I think I saw cars driving on the wrong side of the road inside the space station. British story and culture right here.
 

Slawkenbergius

Slawkenbergius
Ayo said:
So if the game is set in space (ED), or america (GTA), or a non specific place (Prison Architect), it doesn't qualify? Rather stupid if you ask me.
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Personally I think you'd get away with arguing that Elite is set in an 'undetermined location', which is allowed for within the rules. The same would probably be true for fantasy games, etc.

I imagine that clause is to prevent foreign (probably American) publishers farming out the latest Tony Hawks game, or whatever. They want to limit help to makers of British games, rather than just providing it to people making games in Britain.
 

Ayo

Ayo
Slawkenbergius said:
Personally I think you'd get away with arguing that Elite is set in an 'undetermined location', which is allowed for within the rules. The same would probably be true for fantasy games, etc.

I imagine that clause is to prevent foreign (probably American) publishers farming out the latest Tony Hawks game, or whatever. They want to limit help to makers of British games, rather than just providing it to people making games in Britain.
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Ah yes I kinda skimmed through it, though it's technically not set in an 'undetermined location' but the location does contain the the whole United Kingdom (the parts that aren't underwater at least).
 

Slawkenbergius

Slawkenbergius
Ayo said:
Ah yes I kinda skimmed through it, though it's technically not set in an 'undetermined location' but the location does contain the the whole United Kingdom (the parts that aren't underwater at least).
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Where's it set then? Sol, Achenar, Zelada, Lave? I would argue that's not determined, therefore it's an set in an undetermined location and technically qualifies. Certainly if you're looking for a tax break, I'd think you'd approach it from that angle.
 

Darren Grey

Darren Grey
The rules are based on similar tax breaks for people making movies in Britain, so some of it is a bit weird when compared to games. Often a game will have no characters, or the main character will be a blank slate, or the setting will be in a fantasy land or abstract space, etc.

But there's no easy way to make the rules, and with the others points bit UK developers and cultural relevance it's fairly easy for any game dev in the UK to take advantage of this.

Which is BRILL! This will definitely be very relevant to me in the future :)
 

Dejay

Dejay
Mike Evans said:
I wonder if Elite technically passes the culture test though. Most of the game takes place in space with no story due to the sandbox nature and even so I doubt the story would be based in Britain or other applicable places.
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Just write some stuff about an interactive simulation and how government and the British culture will develop in the future and a new age of colonialism. Grand social experiment bla bla. The player will be able to explore how individual choices can affect political systems mirroring the British republic vs the feudal European model as well as FOR THE EMPIRE!

Add something about Scottish secessionists and the resulting anarchy = instant win.

How can you even say ED won't have a story! It's an interactive personal story about a lone British Trader starting with a Frigate and 100 pound sterling!
 

Frank

Frank
Space is big. It is mostly nothing. Any anomalous bits of matter and/or lifeforms you may encounter there are so rare they're statistically negligible.

Surely this vast nothingness is as similar to the United Kingdom as needed to qualify for this tax break?
 
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