Thargoid attacks

[IohannisTyrannis]

Since it´s pretty much impossible to contact frontier devs i´m going to ask here:
why the hec aren´t the thargoids attacking high tech stations to drain FSD component supply? It´d be such a huge task to coordinate an attack wave to increase all ship prices by 35% until a set number of stations are repaired... -.-

 

[Azmuth Divarchchron]

Since it´s pretty much impossible to contact frontier devs i´m going to ask here:
why the hec aren´t the thargoids attacking high tech stations to drain FSD component supply? It´d be such a huge task to coordinate an attack wave to increase all ship prices by 35% until a set number of stations are repaired... -.-

Because thargoids are only interested in attacking people with prejudistic and xenophobic views. (Mainly navy)
They are largely not interested in civilians and if you knew any detail about thargoids you would know they attempted to communicate with us multiple times before the federation started the war with them.
Thargoids aren't the bad guys, humans are.

 

[Azreh Helas]

Because thargoids are only interested in attacking people with prejudistic and xenophobic views. (Mainly navy)
They are largely not interested in civilians and if you knew any detail about thargoids you would know they attempted to communicate with us multiple times before the federation started the war with them.
Thargoids aren't the bad guys, humans are.

what a load of horse crap Thargoids understand human languages but are not interested in peace. They fought the same war with guardians and have the same war within them selves.

I don't know what the algorithms for Thargoid attacks are but before 3.0 it was pretty much wherever there were ammonia worlds and AEGIS stuff. But now the Thargoids will keep attacking until they are repelled or or all stations are destroyed.

 

[Azmuth Divarchchron]

what a load of horse crap Thargoids understand human languages but are not interested in peace. They fought the same war with guardians and have the same war within them selves.

I don't know what the algorithms for Thargoid attacks are but before 3.0 it was pretty much wherever there were ammonia worlds and AEGIS stuff. But now the Thargoids will keep attacking until they are repelled or or all stations are destroyed.

You haven't been paying very close attention then. We started the war both times, not the thargoids.
And both times the Federation was the one that fired the first shot.

The thargoids never attacked unless provoked both the fedaration and the guardians are at fault for their wars with the thargoids. The thargoids never raised a finger/tentacle against anyone untill provoked.

The thargoids are like a giant bee hive, dont kick it and it wont sting you. But the guardians and the feds kicked it and paid the price.

As for them understanding our language, thats horse. Like insects they communicate through complex electromagnetic signals. To them the signals our ships produce are gibberish due to encryption. Theyve been trying to figure put how we talk just as much as weve been trying to figure out how they talk. Theyve used the golden record method with us to communicate so far which unfortunately is rudimentary at best. But now that we are at war with them theres no reason for them to attempt further communication.

 

[Azreh Helas]

i remember reading somewhere that they could understand human language but i can't seem to find it now. YOu're right i just remembered when GalCorp found the destroyed ship not the provoced attacks by colonists.

 

[IohannisTyrannis]

It seems you´ve suspiciously detailed insight? So if the thargoids are in fact such a low level hivemind we´re lucky as they cannot figure out how to disrupt FSD component supply. It´d be pure accidental coincidence not strategy.
Anyhow please stop slandering the federal navy. As it stands right now a federal vessel has revisited the guardian ruins at Eta Carinae and couldn´t find any clues on your preposterous claim of guardian aggression against the thargoid menace.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

There are 671 high-tech systems and 1,133 high-tech stations in the bubble.
Even at their current rate of 6 systems a week, it would take them 2 years to get all of them, even without significant opposition.

It would still be one of the more effective tactics they could use to really damage the bubble economically, though.

 

[Azmuth Divarchchron]

It seems you´ve suspiciously detailed insight? So if the thargoids are in fact such a low level hivemind we´re lucky as they cannot figure out how to disrupt FSD component supply. It´d be pure accidental coincidence not strategy.
Anyhow please stop slandering the federal navy. As it stands right now a federal vessel has revisited the guardian ruins at Eta Carinae and couldn´t find any clues on your preposterous claim of guardian aggression against the thargoid menace.

The thargoids are a hive mind but far from low level. They have singular intelligence as well, its just that their biology allows for complex hive communication while retaining singular intelligence.

And im going to keep slandering the Federation as much as I want because they shot first in both human/thargoid wars. And that knowledge is publicly available.

The guardians started their war by trying to enslave the thargoids.

The Federation started the war both times by outright trying to kill them.

And the fact that we've had pilots have peaceful interaction with thargoids proves that the thargoids are the victim in these wars.

Also whatever the guardians did to the thargoids scarred their species so deep they remember their technology even after centuries.
For whatever reason what the guardians did to the thargoids is worse than the virus we used on them in the first human/thargoid war.

 

[IohannisTyrannis]

And im going to keep slandering the Federation as much as I want because they shot first in both human/thargoid wars. And that knowledge is publicly available.

That´s Alliance propaganda. The federal navy ensures peace and prosperity.

The guardians started their war by trying to enslave the thargoids....
Also whatever the guardians did to the thargoids scarred their species so deep they remember their technology even after centuries.
For whatever reason what the guardians did to the thargoids is worse than the virus we used on them in the first human/thargoid war.

We don´t know for sure what role the rouge A.I. played in this conflict so it´s a guessing game. Perhaps the guardians wanted to gift the purely biological thargoids some technology? But the cybernetic enhancement went wrong? We don´t know. The virus on the other hand is comprehensible to the thargoid hivemind. Technology is not as it seems.

The thargoids are a hive mind but far from low level. They have singular intelligence as well, its just that their biology allows for complex hive communication while retaining singular intelligence.

Which is a questionable claim as their random attacks lack a coherent strategy. If they´d wanted to stop human progress in colonizing the galaxy surgically dismanteling the FSD supply chain is the obvious way to go. Which they don´t do thus it´s deductable they don´t have a coherent strategy. Therefore the claim they´re more than biological replicators is outlandish. Similarly the "fact" of "peacefull interactions". Just because the lucky commanders weren´t vaporized when in close proximity to thargoids doesn´t mean they´ve benevolent motives. Maybe it was just opportune behavior. Who knows what these vile creatures "think" if at all.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

If they´d wanted to stop human progress in colonizing the galaxy surgically dismanteling the FSD supply chain is the obvious way to go. Which they don´t do thus it´s deductable they don´t have a coherent strategy.

You've just taken a very big leap from
- their strategy is not to stop human colonisation of the galaxy
to
- they have no coherent strategy at all

Their attacks aren't random, either. There's been a very distinct focus on:
- systems and facilities carrying out Thargoid research
- systems with Ammonia Worlds

It's possible to come up with some conjecture from that about what their objectives might be - and it's possible that humanity is a minor inconvenience only towards those objectives, so not worth attempting to destroy.

 

[IohannisTyrannis]

Their attacks aren't random, either. There's been a very distinct focus on:
- systems and facilities carrying out Thargoid research
- systems with Ammonia Worlds

Which is litterally the demonstration of why they´re little more than biological replicators. They´re territorial expansionists and they recognize their own "technology" from afar most likely trying to salvage it. It does amaze me how keen their senses are when it comes to spotting their own technology in human research facilities. You did your history lessons on old earth biology? A seadwelling creature was able to smell blood from several kilometers distance. When i recall correctly it was called "white shark". The thargoids are similar in that fashion only their senses´re demonstrably orders of magnitude more fine tuned.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Which is litterally the demonstration of why they´re little more than biological replicators.

Not really.

Consider humanity's response to the Thargoids.
- the vast majority of humans ignore them
- a small number of humans attack them where they are present, and attempt to patch up damage caused afterwards
- no humans attempt to beat them to where they're going *next*

One can conclude from this that humanity has no coherent strategy for defeating the Thargoids, and in fact are merely reactive biological replicators which have a collective consciousness demonstrating pain and self-repair responses, but no particular general awareness of the Thargoids. There was some early adaptation to Thargoid appearance, perhaps analogous to an immune response, but this appears to have peaked.

 

[IohannisTyrannis]

Not really.

Oh plz! If the thargoids are inteligent then why haven´t they sent scouts to a system with thousands of comanders departing? The strain on hyperspace was so massive all FSD usage had to be cancelled for hours? A gigant fleet moving? But the thargoids didn´t even notice it. No scouts, not a single ship. Because they´re little more than ants. All the while human scouts are tracking thargoid activity meticulously?

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Oh plz! If the thargoids are inteligent then why haven´t they sent scouts to a system with thousands of comanders departing?

The simultaneous departure was a bit unusual - though as it was *away* from the Thargoids, presumably not as concerning to them as the similar-sized fleet on the Gnosis moving towards them was - but the busier systems in human space routinely have several thousand hyperspace exits daily.

I know it's a blow to the ego to realise that humans aren't as interesting to the Thargoids as we think we should be, but how many times do you get up early and travel out of your way to see a flock of birds migrating?

 

[IohannisTyrannis]

...but how many times do you get up early and travel out of your way to see a flock of birds migrating?

Maybe that´s why not many comanders perceive thargoids as a threat? Because they don´t have a coherent strategy. They´re the "flock of birds"? Yes they randomly damage stations but as i mentioned: no strategy. No effort to cut FSD supply chains thus no impact on ship pricing therefore a problem but a distant one.
They don´t even track large human fleets. If you´re inteligent you do scout hostile movement- allways. That´s why human scouts track thargoids but not vice versa. Because the´re bugs. Dangerous ones but still bugs.
Quite possibly they perceive the virus used to defeat them the first time as some kind of failed communication attempt if they can remember it at all. Most likely the rouge guardian A.I. tried to upgrade them with cybernetics. Presumably triggering their pain perception kind of marking the guardian signature as dangerous on an instinctive level?

Anyways i´ve to make my way back to the bubble. Some 7k lyrs to go.

 

[Azmuth Divarchchron]

Either you are trolling or you sincerely belive that its propaganda that the Federation started the war, which they did.

Also you suddenly seem to think that thargoids are disorganized but theyve been strictly focused on anti-thargoid operations and thargoid research facilities.

Ill leave you to your delusions, cheers.

 

[IohannisTyrannis]

...Also you suddenly seem to think that thargoids are disorganized but theyve been strictly focused on anti-thargoid operations and thargoid research facilities.

That´s proof thargoids are nothing more than bugs. What you (mis)interpret as inteligence is in fact a rudimentary reaction easily explainable with very keen senses to find their technology in human research stations and territorial behavior.

 

[Azmuth Divarchchron]

That´s proof thargoids are nothing more than bugs. What you (mis)interpret as inteligence is in fact a rudimentary reaction easily explainable with very keen senses to find their technology in human research stations and territorial behavior.

If they were nothing more than dumb bugs they wouldn't have tried to use the "golden record" method to communicate with us before the war started.

They also wouldn't have their own galaxy map at their bases or know to use electromagnetic pulses to disable our ships.

You are grasping at straws.

If you aren't trolling then you need to do a google search and learn more about the thargoids.