Thargoids in the bubble inside a human-controlled system

Ghiby

Ghiby
newsflash... I guess that's part of what we're supposed to discover on our own about update 16...

more than once, after the last update 16, I was attacked and destroyed by Thargoids, in my lil' Dolphin, doing passenger missions, with less than 10 passengers on board, in a system that's in the bubble, well controlled by humans, high security and all...

yet, the Thargoid is attacking my little Dophin that carries very few passengers... makes no sense to me... what am I supposed to do, to fit my Dolphin anti-Thargoids now?? really..??..

it happened to me 4-5 times already, in a human-controlled system, in the bubble, like HIP 19428... that's ridiculous, and not even in line with the lore... how can a Thardoig just spawn in the bubble and attack my small Dolphin with 6 passengers on board, in a human-controlled system..??.. makes no sense to me...

before that, I was considering getting the slick Beluga, but now, it's making no sense...

I can provide a full log of the systems in the bubble, where my lil' Dolphin was destroyed...

what is going on? is this how it's supposed to be?? so are we not to do passenger missions anymore in the bubble? I could never win a combat encounter in a Dolphin, Orca, or Beluga against Thargoids...

that's not how an alien invasion should work to make sense... they enter from the border systems, and eventually progress if they manage to control systems, but should not spawn out of nowhere in the middle of the bubble, in the middle of human civilization, in a system that's not even at threat of Thargoid invasion... or do I got it wrong..??..
 

Muzz UK

Muzz UK
Ghiby said:
newsflash... I guess that's part of what we're supposed to discover on our own about update 16...

more than once, after the last update 16, I was attacked and destroyed by Thargoids, in my lil' Dolphin, doing passenger missions, with less than 10 passengers on board, in a system that's in the bubble, well controlled by humans, high security and all...

yet, the Thargoid is attacking my little Dophin that carries very few passengers... makes no sense to me... what am I supposed to do, to fit my Dolphin anti-Thargoids now?? really..??..

it happened to me 4-5 times already, in a human-controlled system, in the bubble, like HIP 19428... that's ridiculous, and not even in line with the lore... how can a Thardoig just spawn in the bubble and attack my small Dolphin with 6 passengers on board, in a human-controlled system..??.. makes no sense to me...

before that, I was considering getting the slick Beluga, but now, it's making no sense...

I can provide a full log of the systems in the bubble, where my lil' Dolphin was destroyed...

what is going on? is this how it's supposed to be?? so are we not to do passenger missions anymore in the bubble? I could never win a combat encounter in a Dolphin, Orca, or Beluga against Thargoids...

that's not how an alien invasion should work to make sense... they enter from the border systems, and eventually progress if they manage to control systems, but should not spawn out of nowhere in the middle of the bubble, in the middle of human civilization, in a system that's not even at threat of Thargoid invasion... or do I got it wrong..??..
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I completely disagree with youe "against lore" comment it's been obvious for months and months if not longer aliens are attacking humanity there's forum posts, news articles in game and loads of content. I think you're move annoyed you didn't expect it and expected a human system to be free from this game mechanic. To answer your question yes you need to either arm your dolphin OR find passenger missions miles away from system in a war state. Guy above me has basically said the samething so sorry cmdr thats the game now. Every single Elite game has had some form of bad buy, criminal or pirate etc that can attack you anywhere. Clues in the name "DANGEROUS" sorry if it seems harsh but you're missing the bleeding obvious here. Space is big border lines would be impossible to maintain this isn't world war 1.
 

Spherelance

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Ghiby said:
newsflash... I guess that's part of what we're supposed to discover on our own about update 16...
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Well galnet is available in-game, it tells you what is going on. The thargoids are where humanity got FSD from so they are a lot better at travelling in hyperspace (or whatever it is called) than us, so yes they can pull you out even in secure systems.
 

Nephthys Vasudan

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Spherelance said:
Well galnet is available in-game, it tells you what is going on. The thargoids are where humanity got FSD from so they are a lot better at travelling in hyperspace (or whatever it is called) than us, so yes they can pull you out even in secure systems.
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Even when transiting hyperspace between systems too. AKA "Hyperdicting"
 

vanFace

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Ghiby said:
is this how it's supposed to be?? so are we not to do passenger missions anymore in the bubble?
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Yes and yes. If you only play Elite for the passenger missions (a completely valid play-style, BTW), just stop playing it now. The war is the end-game of the series, so of course it gets hot in here.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
@Ghiby, to be a bit less cryptic than the above—update 16 added a new Hunter-class Thargoid named the Scythe variant, which is the only thus far to interdict and to cause hyperspace destabilisation outside of systems where other Thargoids are present. It behaves like a pirate, and it cares little for your vessel, only for your passengers. That is to say, it will let you leave if you let it take what it wants.

You can choose to resist such a pirate, but you will need a strong vessel! Larger starships help with being stronger of course, but moreover it can not be lightly-armoured or lightly-shielded. There are a lot of outfitting suggestions around which try to be as light as possible for a bit more range, but it is (and always was!) a bad idea for this reason. Insofar as the default approach should be for most Commanders to toughen their starships a bit, to fly around with lightweight armour, no reinforcement and at most a minimal shield is to accept that you have few options if stopped.

It may also help to know that some Commanders have had some success by giving it some decoy cargo such as a damaged Escape pod. Escaping it, though—I imagine you may need to fit the ECM utility to stop its Containment missile, and to use a High wake due to its mass-lock factor.


vanFace said:
Yes and yes. If you only play Elite for the passenger missions (a completely valid play-style, BTW), just stop playing it now.
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Terrible advice; it is quite fine to move operations a little further away from war-involved systems instead. Either the attacks stop, or at least you get to submit a record for farthest-known Scythe attack!
 

Untilting

Untilting
Out of curiosity, did you get any chat from the passengers?

Since U16, on evacuation runs the passengers often complain about being close to Thargoid space (a good predictor of an upcoming Scythe inter/hyperdiction), and then say they are glad to be away from the Thargoids once you've made a couple of jumps to get out of Scythe range. Was there any new chat on the ordinary passenger runs - "Aren't we getting a bit close to the war zone" or somesuch?

Am just wondering if Fdev also updated standard passenger chat to hint if you are in/entering a system within Scythe range.
 
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vanFace

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Aleks Zuno said:
Terrible advice; it is quite fine to move operations a little further away from war-involved systems instead. Either the attacks stop, or at least you get to submit a record for farthest-known Scythe attack!
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Nope. It is good advice to stop playing a game that isn't fun anymore. Not stopping makes it become more like an unhealthy addiction. Of course the OP could get fun from doing one of the many other activities in Elite as well, but that's why "only play for passenger missions" was there.
 

Nephthys Vasudan

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vanFace said:
Nope. It is good advice to stop playing a game that isn't fun anymore. Not stopping makes it become more like an unhealthy addiction. Of course the OP could get fun from doing one of the many other activities in Elite as well, but that's why "only play for passenger missions" was there.
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Specially from a player who wants to spend "real" money to get credits (Credits that are easy to get) - and won't research hardly anything whose first inclination is to complain without looking into it. (Just look at his post history)

Sad thing of it is - I don't know much about the war or the lore - yet I somehow know more than OP does - and that's just by reading the headlines and GALNet Feeds. :p - Ok - and chatting with a few CMDR's here and there.

In short - google is your friend..... well - most days.
 

Ozric

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Ozric
Did we really need a separate thread for a point you already made in another thread?

If you read or listened to Galnet (which you can from your ship), or read the news articles on the launcher, then you would know exactly why you were attacked and why it's completely in line with the lore.
 

vanFace

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Nephthys Vasudan said:
Specially from a player who wants to spend "real" money to get credits (Credits that are easy to get) - and won't research hardly anything whose first inclination is to complain without looking into it. (Just look at his post history)

Sad thing of it is - I don't know much about the war or the lore - yet I somehow know more than OP does - and that's just by reading the headlines and GALNet Feeds. :p - Ok - and chatting with a few CMDR's here and there.

In short - google is your friend..... well - most days.
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Indeed. We just have to accept that there are people like that and that they don't experience fun in a game like we do. Thus it is totally OK if those players stop playing a game they so obviously don't like anymore. There is no point in telling them to "git gud" in the hope they somehow get to enjoy it again. Most of the times it will only upset them even more, and the few ones where it works are not worth the pain of endless repeating forum PvP.
 

Rainbro

Rainbro
I know everyone wants to jump on this guy, but if you read the title - perhaps you could infer that OP is confused about being attacked in a system that is labelled as human controlled? Given that this is a change from normal behaviour, not mentioned in GalNet. Remember that some players don't live on the forums.
 

Factabulous

Factabulous

Leadfoot

Leadfoot
Ghiby said:
yet, the Thargoid is attacking my little Dophin that carries very few passengers... makes no sense to me... what am I supposed to do, to fit my Dolphin anti-Thargoids now?? really..??..
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As others have stated, this is the new reality we live in. They want your humans that you carry. It is like being attacked by pirates only to the thargoids, your tasty cargo are the humans you carry. Why they want them? We don't know yet.
 

Rainbro

Rainbro
Factabulous said:
Mentioned in Galnet - https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoid-scythes-undertake-human-harvest

"A new type of Thargoid vessel is hyperdicting human ships and capturing living passengers."
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To quote what I said more fully:
OP is confused about being attacked in a system that is labelled as human controlled? Given that this is a change from normal behaviour, not mentioned in GalNet.
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So, not mentioned in GalNet. OP is confused because their previously-correct image of the game has changed, and this change has not been mentioned ingame. They find out the hard way, come on here to ask what's going on, and get a typical forum welcome for not having already found out from out-of-game sources. Or being told they should have read the GalNet, which doesn't contain the info they're asking for.
 
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