It's like there's a wide variety of people on the planet and not everyone is nice...
The 15 second logout timer in action
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Sole Hunter
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I bet Sylveria is 1k MMR and bronze at best.
PVP in teh saferino of their private group lol.
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Sole Hunter
Banned
I remember when you we're just a forum pleb, I'm proud of you. You've become better than the rest of them delusional fanatics disbeliever.
Go now, and purge the heretics.
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Well yeah. As someone who always goes through life with the attitude of "treat others like you would want to be treated" I find it hard to understand what makes these people think it's ok to behave like that, over something so trivial.
/shrugs
I don't treat everyone how I wish to be treated... I just can't afford it.
I’ve already decided to switch back into Solo now. (I might just occasionally dip into Open when I’m docked at Jameson, just to enjoy looking at the ships coming and going, soak up the ambience.) Nevertheless, and at the risk of attracting further scorn, I’ve decided to add another 2 cents worth here, share some thoughts.
First let me address myself to our PvP brethren, ask them if they ever played Chess. Because in Chess, when you ‘resign’ the game, you concede victory to your opponent. I have been playing ED for roughly one year. In that time I have logged out to the menu whilst being attacked on 3 occasions. And on each of those occasions, I was conceding victory, just like Chess.
(As a teenager, I went through a phase of being fascinated by Chess. As usual with me it was the beauty of the thing, the awe-inspiring mathematical complexity, that turned me on, rather than the winning and losing, the crushing of opponents. One time I was playing with the college Math whiz, who was the typical callow young male. I made some mistake and quickly realized the game was lost, and so tendered my resignation. He was outraged, keenly desiring to inflict a crushing and decisive defeat in front of his buddies. Shades of that with you guys I think.)
Next I would like to briefly describe a few other encounters I have had with you guys. One time I was heading back to Jameson in my Vette like the cat that got the cream. Suddenly I am being interdicted… by a human! And it’s another Vette! I fought the interdiction… I would always do that then, I had so gotten used to escaping from NPC interdictions, it’s only now I know that when facing a human opponent, you’re nearly always gonna lose that ‘mini-game’, and in losing take considerable hull damage, and take much longer to get your sh*t together as well. But this was my first ever PvP encounter, and I fought as hard as I could. But the guy knew how to fight PvP, he was good. I was getting walloped hard with emissive munitions, as my shields finally crumbled I fled and low-waked, (that the right term?) I didn’t log off, but I conceded the fight, my ego bruised. A few minutes later my nemesis sends me a text message saying sorry, he just had a new loadout that he was keen to try out, and as I was flying a powerful ship he thought I would be up for it. A sweet boy really. I immediately sent him a friend request and we’re connected to this day, even if we don’t hang out.
Another time I’m sitting in dock at Jameson, and out of the blue I get a message from another Vette pilot asking me if I would care for ‘a little friendly fight’. I was flattered and tempted, but I’m afraid my native diffidence and shyness got the better of me, and I told him ‘maybe another time’. He was a perfect gentleman about it. I really regret it now, I guess I could have learned so much from him, maybe found a perfect wingmate.
And another time I was heading off somewhere and this time I actually notice a hollow square shadowing me, when I scan it I find out it’s another Vette. At the same moment I recall I forgot to sell off some Platinum I picked up somewhere and so I’m like uh-oh… But nothing to worry about, I get messaged and invited to joust! The guy asks me why my PvP rating is like… zero, and yet I’m flying a Vette, lol. I try and explain I’m pretty new to the ship, like the way it makes me feel safe, that I’ve just been too shy and unconfident to get gud at PvP. And again the guy is a perfect gentleman before he heads off into the black.
Anyway I suppose what I’m saying here is, notice a pattern here PvP boys? Notice a difference in the approaches of these guys to someone who just flies at you intent on doing harm, repeatedly interdicting, and whose whole style is like ‘Are you a victim or a victor?’ Maybe if your ‘community’ could adopt some guidelines, some procedures, some basic steps to follow in challenging other players (who are unfortunately real human beings and who thus appreciate being treated like human beings), you would not only gain more respect, but more of what you want, more fun in the game, more genuine satisfaction.
Which leads me onto my next point. Which is that you could make more friends by sharing your knowledge and skill set, and not just with other PvPers, Although I was left with a bad taste in my mouth by my most recent griefing attack, (which I was totally unprepared for, especially since my actual experience of PvP remains close to zero), what I did clearly see was the superlative combat skill of my attacker. Sure I could have done better if I had been more ready, and if I hadn’t desperately struggled against his interdictions, but there’s no getting round the fact that he’s in a f*ckin Viper, I’m in an engineered Corvette, and he is kicking my a**.
It took him almost no time to do away with most of my shielding, and his ship is running rings around me so I couldn’t even get a shot in. I think he must have almost immediately disabled all my turreted MCs, which I usually rely on to weaken and dispatch attacks from small agile ships. And to this day I am not even really sure what is an ‘impulse attack’? How can I be taking hull damage when I still have a solid ring of shielding? Wht the hell didn’t I install a Heat Sink so I don’t have to cook myself if I pop a Shield Cell Bank now? These were the kinds of thoughts flying through my head in the instants before I panicked and menu logged, thus conceding the fight in my mind. I was tired, had had a long day in the real world, and had thoughtlessly logged into open just to fly the Vette to Jameson and park it there for the night. Anyways, whatever. My point here is that you guys could gain considerable kudos by simply sharing your knowledge of how to fly and fight like that, which I will freely admit is currently beyond me.
OK enough from me. Just gonna finish up by offering my respect and support to my sisters here like Sylveria, Siobhan and rlsg who have been valiantly and eloquently fighting the good fight. You guys rock, and you inspire me. Thanks.
First let me address myself to our PvP brethren, ask them if they ever played Chess. Because in Chess, when you ‘resign’ the game, you concede victory to your opponent. I have been playing ED for roughly one year. In that time I have logged out to the menu whilst being attacked on 3 occasions. And on each of those occasions, I was conceding victory, just like Chess.
(As a teenager, I went through a phase of being fascinated by Chess. As usual with me it was the beauty of the thing, the awe-inspiring mathematical complexity, that turned me on, rather than the winning and losing, the crushing of opponents. One time I was playing with the college Math whiz, who was the typical callow young male. I made some mistake and quickly realized the game was lost, and so tendered my resignation. He was outraged, keenly desiring to inflict a crushing and decisive defeat in front of his buddies. Shades of that with you guys I think.)
Next I would like to briefly describe a few other encounters I have had with you guys. One time I was heading back to Jameson in my Vette like the cat that got the cream. Suddenly I am being interdicted… by a human! And it’s another Vette! I fought the interdiction… I would always do that then, I had so gotten used to escaping from NPC interdictions, it’s only now I know that when facing a human opponent, you’re nearly always gonna lose that ‘mini-game’, and in losing take considerable hull damage, and take much longer to get your sh*t together as well. But this was my first ever PvP encounter, and I fought as hard as I could. But the guy knew how to fight PvP, he was good. I was getting walloped hard with emissive munitions, as my shields finally crumbled I fled and low-waked, (that the right term?) I didn’t log off, but I conceded the fight, my ego bruised. A few minutes later my nemesis sends me a text message saying sorry, he just had a new loadout that he was keen to try out, and as I was flying a powerful ship he thought I would be up for it. A sweet boy really. I immediately sent him a friend request and we’re connected to this day, even if we don’t hang out.
Another time I’m sitting in dock at Jameson, and out of the blue I get a message from another Vette pilot asking me if I would care for ‘a little friendly fight’. I was flattered and tempted, but I’m afraid my native diffidence and shyness got the better of me, and I told him ‘maybe another time’. He was a perfect gentleman about it. I really regret it now, I guess I could have learned so much from him, maybe found a perfect wingmate.
And another time I was heading off somewhere and this time I actually notice a hollow square shadowing me, when I scan it I find out it’s another Vette. At the same moment I recall I forgot to sell off some Platinum I picked up somewhere and so I’m like uh-oh… But nothing to worry about, I get messaged and invited to joust! The guy asks me why my PvP rating is like… zero, and yet I’m flying a Vette, lol. I try and explain I’m pretty new to the ship, like the way it makes me feel safe, that I’ve just been too shy and unconfident to get gud at PvP. And again the guy is a perfect gentleman before he heads off into the black.
Anyway I suppose what I’m saying here is, notice a pattern here PvP boys? Notice a difference in the approaches of these guys to someone who just flies at you intent on doing harm, repeatedly interdicting, and whose whole style is like ‘Are you a victim or a victor?’ Maybe if your ‘community’ could adopt some guidelines, some procedures, some basic steps to follow in challenging other players (who are unfortunately real human beings and who thus appreciate being treated like human beings), you would not only gain more respect, but more of what you want, more fun in the game, more genuine satisfaction.
Which leads me onto my next point. Which is that you could make more friends by sharing your knowledge and skill set, and not just with other PvPers, Although I was left with a bad taste in my mouth by my most recent griefing attack, (which I was totally unprepared for, especially since my actual experience of PvP remains close to zero), what I did clearly see was the superlative combat skill of my attacker. Sure I could have done better if I had been more ready, and if I hadn’t desperately struggled against his interdictions, but there’s no getting round the fact that he’s in a f*ckin Viper, I’m in an engineered Corvette, and he is kicking my a**.
It took him almost no time to do away with most of my shielding, and his ship is running rings around me so I couldn’t even get a shot in. I think he must have almost immediately disabled all my turreted MCs, which I usually rely on to weaken and dispatch attacks from small agile ships. And to this day I am not even really sure what is an ‘impulse attack’? How can I be taking hull damage when I still have a solid ring of shielding? Wht the hell didn’t I install a Heat Sink so I don’t have to cook myself if I pop a Shield Cell Bank now? These were the kinds of thoughts flying through my head in the instants before I panicked and menu logged, thus conceding the fight in my mind. I was tired, had had a long day in the real world, and had thoughtlessly logged into open just to fly the Vette to Jameson and park it there for the night. Anyways, whatever. My point here is that you guys could gain considerable kudos by simply sharing your knowledge of how to fly and fight like that, which I will freely admit is currently beyond me.
OK enough from me. Just gonna finish up by offering my respect and support to my sisters here like Sylveria, Siobhan and rlsg who have been valiantly and eloquently fighting the good fight. You guys rock, and you inspire me. Thanks.
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Sole Hunter
Banned
TL'DR?
This isn't chess, and logging out via the menu is more akin to flipping the board, then flipping off your opponent, before flipping off the judge saying "It's not a loss, and I'm staying exactly where I am on the tournament because I didn't consent to that match."
I don't know how you managed to get a Corvette without ever having a PvP interaction... I discovered the error of my ways in PvP back when I was trading with a Type 6 Transporter against an Anaconda...
That's when I started looking for advice on the forums.
It's a massive wall of text so bear with me as I read through it bit by bit.
See my point above.. this was around 2014/2015... I can't remember how long it took me grinding the Imperial Slave Trade (shout out to you traders who remember those days) in order to get to a Type 6, but I wasn't in a player group and the only way I found out how to git gud was research after getting killed over and over again.
Here's what your opponent saw: A player in one of the most powerful combat ships in the game, after it became apparent that your ship was not even remotely ready for combat (despite being a corvette class warship) he saw you engage your stealth drive and completely disappear from combat, thus breaking the fourth wall for him.
You also pressed a single button to completely negate the weeks of frustration every player who respects the boundaries within the game (i.e not menu/combat logging, exploiting, what have you) went through to learn what shields are the best, whether I should reinforce my shields with heavy duty boosters or aim for higher resistances... Whether I should go for an 8A shield generator in my Cutter whilst trading, or go for the extra cargo space.
You effectively make all of that research pointless, because at any point you can just log out.
The first thing I learned was that you NEED to set a waypoint to a nearby star, and concede to *EVERY* interdiction before flipping around and speeding over, whilst spamming J in order to jump to that system before the pirate/murderer kills you.
I learned all of that in a Type 6. On my own, because I put in the effort to find out.
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My stance is that if you click open play, you consent to PvP. So what does everyone class as griefing to the point that warrants using this?
Who's in the wrong if you get interdicted by a pirate commander and he/she asks for a bit of cargo and you jump to the main menu (regardless of Frontier saying logging to the menu is acceptable)?
Surely if you didn't want this interaction/risk then you wouldn't play in open...
It seems a broad subject, how do you penalise legitimate griefers who harass players over and over again (we can all agree that harassment is unacceptable in or out of a game), yet at the same time allow a freedom of gameplay choices to interact with each other. Like pirating and trading, for example.
Who's in the wrong if you get interdicted by a pirate commander and he/she asks for a bit of cargo and you jump to the main menu (regardless of Frontier saying logging to the menu is acceptable)?
Surely if you didn't want this interaction/risk then you wouldn't play in open...
It seems a broad subject, how do you penalise legitimate griefers who harass players over and over again (we can all agree that harassment is unacceptable in or out of a game), yet at the same time allow a freedom of gameplay choices to interact with each other. Like pirating and trading, for example.
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Well... that's just where we'll have to agree to differ. Especially since Fdev have now made it clear that logging out to the main menu is NOT considered unacceptable.
As I said I have done that 3 times in a year, and the first 2 times were when I was flying a Python and was being simply ganked (literally gang-attacked) by dropping into Dav's Hope in Open.
As you guys have now made your feelings about that clear, I have accommodated by declaring my intent to only play in Solo from now on.
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And I vehemently disagree with FD's decision, I hope you will read the rest of my post to understand where I'm coming from better.
I think their decision to call it acceptable was and is a band-aid solution, and is a great source of contention and divisiveness within the community.
I would refer back to the advice given to me regarding the "F everything and run" strategy, as I like to call it.
I am disappointed although I respect your decision. It'd be nice to have your Corvette give me a run for my money since I'm a really bad PvP player (can't even use the FA off properly, maybe when Rinzler finally makes his guide lol)
Might I also suggest, if you can bear the grind again, trying out the Cutter, as if you fully engineer and upgrade it you can cruise at a good 420m/s with the dirty drives, ridiculous shields and the highest mass lock factor in the game (translates to people not being able to masslock you which is awesome btw thanks FD)
Just get ready for the drifting so bad it makes continents look maneuverable.
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Anything that makes a certain subset of players in the game salty is all good as far as I'm concerned...
The perfect taunt. Love it. Bears repeating.
There's a little bit of troll in you Sylv. Admit it.
I think the biggest issue is all the bad blood between PvP players due to clogging or accusations of clogging... Never mind the fact that you're comparing players who want to play together in a friendly way... PvE players... vs people who want to actively kill each other... PvP players... Who is more likely to want to come together as a community?The perfect taunt. Love it. Bears repeating.
There's a little bit of troll in you Sylv. Admit it.
I mean it's a bit of a moot point IMO. Idk if I'd go as far as trolling but your words, not mine.
The perfect taunt. Love it. Bears repeating.
There's a little bit of troll in you Sylv. Admit it.
It doesn't need an answer. Open is PvP anyway so why create a PG
Meh. I'm just here for the salt...
"Come together and kill each other" sounds like the perfect PvP slogan to me.
Ever heard of Counter Strike?...